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    Hey guys,

    this is probably the hundredth thread on this topic, but I just need some "professional validation" to get myself motivated, sorry in advance! I will just cut to the chase: I have hanged for quite some time (roughly 4 months), but stopped one year ago when I reached my ultimate fatigue level at 15lbs. I hanged 3-4 sets, 20 minutes per set, just BTC. Due to a lack of time, motivation and gains (probably pretty naturally judging from my 'bad' 7 LOT, plus considering I only got to my ultimate fatigue point), I have stopped hanging. Although I didn't get any gains, I do "believe" in hanging, thinking that once I get past my fatigue point, I will very likely be able to make some real gains.

    So now that I have more time and flexibility on my hands, I want to do it right this time and at least try one full, committed year before drawing any further conclusions about the effects of hanging.

    I'm using bibs hardcore hanger and planning to start slowly at roughly 2.5-5lbs with 4 sets per day; at first with sets of 15 minutes, then 20 minutes if I can handle it. Also only if I can deal with it, I will try to move up the weight every third day (considering that I already once was "there").

    What do you say? Should I move up slowlier? Any concrete advice on how to "get back into it"?

    Again, I'm sorry. Most likely, this is a useless thread. But this forum and your feedback hopefully help me stay motivated this time.

    Best,

    ars

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    ars,

    >I have hanged for quite some time (roughly 4 months), but stopped one year ago when I reached my ultimate fatigue level at 15lbs.<

    First, please realize that 4 months is not much time, and 15 lbs is not that much weight for many guys. Every guy is different, with different strengths of collagenous tissues, and different discomfort tolerance.

    >I hanged 3-4 sets, 20 minutes per set, just BTC.<

    You need to work up to hanging at least ten hours each week. If your tissues are tough, you probably will need more time than that.

    >Due to a lack of time, motivation and gains (probably pretty naturally judging from my 'bad' 7 LOT, plus considering I only got to my ultimate fatigue point), I have stopped hanging.<


    What are the results of your other two tests?

    >I will try to move up the weight every third day (considering that I already once was "there").<

    Please do not do that. You have lost all soft tissue conditioning. You need to recondition, going with the stress progression from the NOS email.

    >What do you say? Should I move up slowlier? Any concrete advice on how to "get back into it"?<

    Just do the other two tests, and follow the stress progression from the NOS email.

    If you really do not have much potential for gains from lig stretch, then you will need to slowly work up to the ability to hold 20 lbs or more. During that time, hopefully you will fully stretch out your ligs. Then, you will be able to move on to tunica work.

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    • #3
      Hello Bib,

      as always, thank you for your fast response. I just redid the tests and here are my results: 7 LOT, medium skin exit point, and roughly 2,4 inches of inner shaft IF I did the palpation test right. But even discounting a measure inaccuracy of one centimeter or two, the result of the palpation test does not seem to fit in here. Does it make sense at all? I'm actually very sure it was the pubic bone I felt, I still repeated it 5 times and always got the roughly same result. Seems strange considering my low LOT and my medium exit point, doesn't it?

      I'm sorry to ask, but what is the NOS email? Didn't find anything after a quick look at the acronyms sticker.

      I will be starting this thing tomorrow. I really do appreciate your advice, Bib.

      Best

      ars

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      • #4
        ars,

        >I just redid the tests and here are my results: 7 LOT, medium skin exit point, and roughly 2,4 inches of inner shaft IF I did the palpation test right. But even discounting a measure inaccuracy of one centimeter or two, the result of the palpation test does not seem to fit in here. Does it make sense at all?<

        The mirror and palpation tests are in the ballpark. The 7 LOT is an outlyer. Remember, your LOT is when you FIRST SEE a reduction in tugback.

        >I'm actually very sure it was the pubic bone I felt, I still repeated it 5 times and always got the roughly same result. Seems strange considering my low LOT and my medium exit point, doesn't it?<

        No. With a 7 LOT, you would have very little inner penis, and a low skin exit point.

        >I'm sorry to ask, but what is the NOS email? Didn't find anything after a quick look at the acronyms sticker.<

        Notification of shipment.

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        • #5
          Bigger,

          just found the email again. Thanks! Will do the tests again today and post my hopefully more senseful results for you to check if they're coherent this time.

          ars

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          • #6
            I just redid the tests again: as it turns out, I've probably just taken a far too generous skin exit point (it was plain wrong) to measure the inner shaft. My new result for the palpation test is around 0,8 inches of inner shaft. The LOT is still at 7, the skin exit point is still a medium to low exit point.

            I've done a lot of reading, but still don't really know for sure what would be best to get the probably best results. In the long run, tunica work will be my focus, but before that? Any certain angle/any specific advice I should consider apart from the progression hints in the NOS mail? I'd just go for simiple BTC with legs lying on my desk for now.

            Best,

            ars

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            • #7
              ars,

              >I've done a lot of reading, but still don't really know for sure what would be best to get the probably best results. In the long run, tunica work will be my focus, but before that? Any certain angle/any specific advice I should consider apart from the progression hints in the NOS mail? I'd just go for simiple BTC with legs lying on my desk for now.<

              You need to fully stretch out your ligs before you move on to tunica work. It might be slow going, as far as gains, but you need to do it. BTC, with movement involved, will get you to full lig stretch as quickly as you can.

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              • #8
                Hello,

                I took my time - but finally, I got started and set up my new hanging environment with a nice comfortable chair and a nice way to work/study while doing it.

                I've seen on this forum that you looked at pictures of the applied hanger of members here to check whether the hanger is applied in a right way, generally. If you do not mind, I'd appreciate your advice on my overall technique as well. So far, it's comfortable, I do not have an engorged glans (which I used to have) and I have the feeling that the hanger attachment point is where it should be and that the internals are correctly grabbed. However, I'd still appreciate your advice.

                How could I get a picture to you for you to have a look?

                Thanks in advance,

                ars

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                • #9
                  ars,

                  >How could I get a picture to you for you to have a look?<

                  [email protected]

                  I need four pictures only.

                  1. Wrapped bundle taken from the top of the shaft. Grasp the head and stretch out the shaft.

                  2. Bottom hex nut adjustments, taken from the bottom of the hanger.

                  3. Attachment point, hanger on, not tightened, taken from the top of the shaft.

                  4. Hanging pictures, taken from the top of the shaft. I must be able to see the head.

                  Be sure to detail any problems you are having, so that I can address them.

                  Be sure to attach the pictures to the email. Do NOT embed them.

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                  • #10
                    Hey Bib,

                    I'm sorry for having been so impolite as to not answer or send you the pictures. I've been caught up in everyday life stuff and postponed the making of the pictures again and again and again, so well - I hope you forgive my rudeness.

                    Just wanted to come by and say thanks! I've been hanging regularly since this post, and even though I've sometimes only managed to hang 2 sets per day for longer periods of time, I've now measured for the first time and seen that I gained 0.5cm BPEL. Woohoo! It's not much, but considering my sometimes uncommitted hanging, it's a very nice start. Just thank you!

                    To be honest, I've lost touch with the hanging "knowledge" / community once I have found and honed my way of hanging BTC without any discomfort/any problems. I've just kept going, raising the weights slowly and certainly - why would I stop?

                    I've now reached 8.25kg and just wanted to ask: when do I know that I need to change my routine/my hanging angle/my lig focus? Right now, it just seems that I can go on until I reach my lig potential/limit. But: when do I know I reached my limit? I'm not sure, but I've read somewhere on here that actually hanging BTC up to 20kg is 'a thing'?

                    I'm thankful for your advice, Bib.

                    Best,

                    ars

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                    • #11
                      ars,

                      >I 've now measured for the first time and seen that I gained 0.5cm BPEL. Woohoo!<

                      Congratulations!

                      > It's not much, but considering my sometimes uncommitted hanging, it's a very nice start. Just thank you!<

                      You need to try and put in at least ten hours a week, hang every day, and try to be consistent. Do not give the collagenous tissues time to heal back stronger. That is disaster.

                      >I've now reached 8.25kg and just wanted to ask: when do I know that I need to change my routine/my hanging angle/my lig focus?<

                      When you have fully stretched out your ligs. LOT of 6, low skin exit point, an inch or less of internal penis.

                      IOW, keep up with your three tests.

                      >Right now, it just seems that I can go on until I reach my lig potential/limit. But: when do I know I reached my limit? I'm not sure, but I've read somewhere on here that actually hanging BTC up to 20kg is 'a thing'?<

                      After you have fully stretched out your ligs, if you have not reached your goals, you move on to tunica work. You need to have the soft tissue conditioning to hang at least 20 LBS, in order to have a significant chance to deform the tunica.

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                      • #12
                        Bearing in mind the "healing back stronger" issue, I've at least been consistent to avoid 'perfect healing periods' without any pressure at all, not skipping a day without at least 2 sets of hanging.

                        Thanks, makes sense to stick to the tests when it comes to that decision.

                        One of the factors you mentioned to know when to stop lig work was "one inch or less of internal penis". Are we talking about the palpation test result to determine the potential gains or do those numbers (internal penis and potential gains) differ? Starting out with "just" 0.8inch of possible gains in that test, I shouldn't probably even have started lig work in the first place if that criterion was the dealbreaker.

                        But to make sense from it (LOT, low skin exit point and inch or less of internal penis), I guess the criteria are cumulative and not decisive on their own?

                        Thank you, once more!

                        Edit: I'm curious though: what is the actual consequence of the collagenous tissues growing back stronger? Couldn't the pressure just be increased or is the ''growth" in strength so considerable that hanging becomes impossible? Any experiences/concrete reports from guys on that topic?
                        Last edited by ars; 05-03-2018, 02:44 PM.

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                        • #13
                          ars,

                          >One of the factors you mentioned to know when to stop lig work was "one inch or less of internal penis". Are we talking about the palpation test result to determine the potential gains<

                          Yes.

                          >do those numbers (internal penis and potential gains) differ? Starting out with "just" 0.8inch of possible gains in that test, I shouldn't probably even have started lig work in the first place if that criterion was the dealbreaker.<

                          This is why there are three tests. To try and remove test error. If you have any doubts about your tests, you can send me the three mirror test pics for evaluation. I highly doubt you started out with less than an inch of inner penis.

                          >But to make sense from it (LOT, low skin exit point and inch or less of internal penis), I guess the criteria are cumulative and not decisive on their own?<

                          Each test should be decisive on their own. But test error does occur. Most guys are not familiar with their anatomy. No reason they should be, other than for PE.

                          >Edit: I'm curious though: what is the actual consequence of the collagenous tissues growing back stronger?<

                          They become harder to further deform. Requires more stress to further deform.

                          >Couldn't the pressure just be increased or is the ''growth" in strength so considerable that hanging becomes impossible? <

                          Any tissue will deform at some stress level. But you do not WANT to need to use more stress, if you do not have to.

                          >Any experiences/concrete reports from guys on that topic?<

                          20 years worth. Guys that hang sporadically are generally not successful. Most of the guys that make significant gains hang every single day, and ten hours or more each week.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks once more. Trying to be as consistent as I can now that I've finished my law exam.

                            Another thing: I didn't read about girth so much on here (as I'm pretty happy with mine). That's also why I didn't keep record - but I've been told that my girth increased. Is this a possibility? As far as I have gotten into the biological background of hanging, it wouldn't make sense to me.

                            ars

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                            • #15
                              ars,

                              >I didn't read about girth so much on here (as I'm pretty happy with mine). That's also why I didn't keep record - but I've been told that my girth increased. Is this a possibility? As far as I have gotten into the biological background of hanging, it wouldn't make sense to me.<

                              Most guys report an increase in base girth from hanging. I gained 1.5 inches in base girth from hanging. I really have no idea why, unless it is simply the inner penis being pulled out and down, creating new outer penis, is thicker. That is my only guess.

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