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    Mirror and Palpation tests

    These two tests go hand in hand with the LOT test in understanding the relationships between the ligs, inner shaft, and outer shaft for each individual. I define the inner shaft 1 as the shaft from the internal anchor point, the crux or bulbs, to the bottom of the pubic bone. I define inner shaft 2 as the shaft from the bottom of the pubic bone to the skin exit point. I define the outer shaft as the portion of penile shaft that can be seen outside of the body.

    Much of the gains that may be had by hangers can be made from pulling the inner shaft II out and down, lengthening the ligaments to allow this, and making inner shaft II into outer shaft.

    After months of hanging, it may be possible to realize maximum gains from this ligament stretch, which will have the affect of exposing all of the shaft, outer shaft all the way to the inner anchor points, to hanging stresses, at almost any angle. In other words, you may be able to stretch the ligaments in a dedicated fashion enough so that they do not interfere with stressing the entire length of the tunica. At that point in time, you can realize further gains by dedicated tunica stretch.

    These tests are designed to help guys find out the condition of their ligs, and what angles and techniques should be most effective and efficient at any particular time.

    The LOT test information may be found here:

    http://forum.bibhanger.com/forum/for...ry-a-must-read


    Mirror test

    The bottom of the pubic bone is what needs to be determined first. Fairly simple: Stand nude in front of a mirror with feet fairly close together. In your mind, draw lines following the groinal grooves down to where they meet. The groinal grooves are where the legs attach to the body. For some guys with legs that are further apart, you may have to imagine a line across from the bottom of one groinal groove to the bottom of the other groinal groove. This line, or in the first example where the lines intersect, is about the bottom of the pubic bone.

    http://www.bibhanger.com/images/Exitpointscropped.jpg

    Next, look at where the penis shaft exits the skin. For some guys, it will be very low, below or even well below the intersection of the groinal lines, indicating a very low LOT. Most porn stars have this physiology. For other guys, it will be up a bit, at the intersection. For others, it may be well above the intersection, indicating a high LOT.

    The differences in where the shaft exits the body in relation to the pubic bone indicates the relative strength, length, and/or tightness of the ligament bundles.

    For guys with a medium to high exit point, they may greatly benefit from hanging at the lower angles, especially BTC.

    For guys with a low to very low exit point, they will benefit from fulcrum hanging, and hanging at the upper angles, from SO to OTS, both with and without a fulcrum.

    Palpation test.

    Please refer to the drawing, finding the skin exit point, and the bottom of the pubic bone on the drawing.

    http://www.bibhanger.com/images/altrefer.jpg

    Once again, fairly simple once you are able to recognize what you are feeling. Palpation means to feel, probe, with the intention of gathering information.

    Start at the skin exit point, and feel beneath the shaft. You should be able to feel, and possibly even pick up some or all of the lig bundles, through the skin, and between the shaft and the pubic bone. You may need to stretch out the shaft a bit to further expose the ligs in order to feel them.

    Now, palpate the inner shaft 2, that portion of the shaft inside the skin. This will be done through the scrotal skin for most guys. On either side of the shaft, you should be able to feel down to the hard pubic bone on the back side of the shaft. Feeling along the shaft, and below the shaft, follow the pubic bone down, until you reach the very bottom of the pubic bone. Finding the very bottom is the hard part. As in the drawing, the PB is somewhat curved until it reaches the bottom, where there is somewhat of a sharp inward turn. At that point, or slightly past that point, you should only be able to palpate soft tissue.

    Further, at that point, you may be able to palpate the prostate, which does not feel like penile shaft, but rather a bulb. When and if you probe the prostate, it will probably feel weird (the prostate itself, not the feeling in your fingers), even pleasurable. The feeling will be completely different from palpating shaft.

    Once you have found the bottom of the pubic bone, where the shaft and bottom of the pubic bone intersect, keep a finger on that point. Then, you can actually measure the distance between that point, and the skin exit point. This measure will give you the absolute maximum gain you can expect from ligament stretch. In other words, if you were to maximally stretch the ligs, and expose all of the inner shaft 2, making it outer shaft, this is what you could gain, discounting pubic fat (pubic bone pressed measure).

    Solely for scientific purposes, you can see the relationship described above in most porn stars. Looking at an erect porn star, you can see the shaft appear to almost exit just in front of the anus, then you may actually be able to see the prostate, then the scrotum, etc. This shows that most porn stars have maximally lengthened ligaments, or their ligament attachment points are such that the ligaments do not interfere with their erections.

    Please see nude photo here:

    I have always been reticent about posting nude photos or links. Most guys seem to know what I refer to about low skin exit points. A guy recently sent me a link to a video asking about the ligs and low skin exit point. So I looked at the video, and it is the best example I have seen of the fan of the ligs, under the skin, and a low skin exit point. So I have decided to post the link here. Now, this is the last time a link like this is going to be posted. Do NOT post your own links. It is just not going to happen.

    http://www.hgclub-movies.net/hgclub/...-timer/01gada/

    The video of interest is on the right. Not sure how long the link will last.

    Note: Some guys find performing this test in the erect state to be much easier. An erect test may be more accurate in giving the possible erect gains, given that erection pressure may effect the tension of the ligaments, and even pull the skin exit point down a bit.

    After performing the LOT test, the mirror test, and the palpation test, you should have a good idea of the condition of your ligament anatomy. You should know the possible maximum potential for gains from lig stretch, whether you should concentrate on lig stretch or tunica stretch, and what hanging angles and/or techniques you should concentrate on.

    Please ask questions if you do not understand.

    Well crap. I will have to get some instruction in how to post an image. Please be patient.

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    Last edited by Bib; 11-04-2015, 01:31 AM.

  • #2
    Bib, if you email me the pic, I can post the image for you.

    Assuming the forum is set to allow it, of course

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    • #3
      RB,

      >Bib, if you email me the pic, I can post the image for you.<

      I found about five pics that showed what I wanted. But none of them turned out to be clear enough. I thought I could clean them up, but that turned out not to be the case.

      If there is interest, I will try to find some others.

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      • #4
        I'm interested. A pic is worth a 1000 words...

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        • #5
          Forgot to add... I've always been hesitant to attempt to get 100% of my lig potential, because I'm unsure how it would look or if it would be useable during sex. A pic would definitely help in this regards.

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          • #6
            Had another thought.

            What do you think about getting a full erection, pushing it straight down and the lowest angle you can push it to without it bending is your LOT?

            I would have edited this into the other posts if possible...

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            • #7
              Bib, would this be a good example of about a 9-10 LOT, with pretty good length potential to be had from lig stretching, by hanging BTC?

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              • #8
                RB,

                >I'm interested. A pic is worth a 1000 words<

                Ok, please give me some time.

                >Forgot to add... I've always been hesitant to attempt to get 100% of my lig potential, because I'm unsure how it would look or if it would be useable during sex. A pic would definitely help in this regards.<

                Why would it not be useable?

                >What do you think about getting a full erection, pushing it straight down and the lowest angle you can push it to without it bending is your LOT?<

                I have no idea how that would indicate LOT.

                >Bib, would this be a good example of about a 9-10 LOT, with pretty good length potential to be had from lig stretching, by hanging BTC?<

                I took the link out. Don't know about linking to porn.

                No way to tell about LOT because the pic was from the side.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bib
                  RB,

                  >I'm interested. A pic is worth a 1000 words<

                  Ok, please give me some time.
                  Will do

                  >Forgot to add... I've always been hesitant to attempt to get 100% of my lig potential, because I'm unsure how it would look or if it would be useable during sex. A pic would definitely help in this regards.<

                  Why would it not be useable?
                  Un-usable was probably a poor choice of words. It certain positions with adjustments It would be. Stretching the ligs, pulling more of the "inner" penis away from the body certainly will increase a measurement, but will it really make your penis appear any longer? For example, suppose I have a full erection that protrudes horizontally from my body. It measures X inches. I step towards a wall until just the tip of my head touches the wall, then mark the position of my feet. I have LOT length potential, and I PE until it's fully realized. I then get a full erection, and repeat the above test. In my mind, while my penis now measures longer than X inches, if I place my feet in the same position as before the tip of my head when horizontal will still just touch the wall. I've gained no "protruding" length, if that makes sense. My gains will be useable in certain positions and angles.

                  >What do you think about getting a full erection, pushing it straight down and the lowest angle you can push it to without it bending is your LOT?<

                  I have no idea how that would indicate LOT.
                  I am hypothesizing that with a maximum erection, pushing down will allow you to reach a point where the ligs are fully engaged and going any lower would require more force, and the angle of your shaft at this point should correlate with LOT?

                  >Bib, would this be a good example of about a 9-10 LOT, with pretty good length potential to be had from lig stretching, by hanging BTC?<

                  I took the link out. Don't know about linking to porn.
                  Understood. I'll wait for your pics. Just thought the way I did it was easier than downloading the pic, hosting it and attaching it as an image. Same result, someone clicks and sees a pic.

                  No way to tell about LOT because the pic was from the side.

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                  Ok.

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                  • #10
                    RB,

                    >Un-usable was probably a poor choice of words. It certain positions with adjustments It would be. Stretching the ligs, pulling more of the "inner" penis away from the body certainly will increase a measurement, but will it really make your penis appear any longer?<

                    Uh, yes.

                    >For example, suppose I have a full erection that protrudes horizontally from my body. It measures X inches. I step towards a wall until just the tip of my head touches the wall, then mark the position of my feet. I have LOT length potential, and I PE until it's fully realized. I then get a full erection, and repeat the above test. In my mind, while my penis now measures longer than X inches, if I place my feet in the same position as before the tip of my head when horizontal will still just touch the wall. I've gained no "protruding" length, if that makes sense.<

                    It does not make sense. I have no clue what you mean. When the ligs are stretched, the inner penis 1, running from the skin exit point to the bottom of the pubic bone, is peeled off of the pubic bone. So, rather than being on the inside of the skin, stuck to the pubic bone, it is outside the body, where it may be used for any number of wonderful things.

                    This is the entire thing behind doctors cutting the ligs of patients, cut the ligs, then use weights to pull the inner shaft out and down. Only problem is, they don't tell you that you can do it without the surgery, just the weights.

                    >My gains will be useable in certain positions and angles.<

                    What positions and angles might that be? What is the difference?

                    >I am hypothesizing that with a maximum erection, pushing down will allow you to reach a point where the ligs are fully engaged and going any lower would require more force, and the angle of your shaft at this point should correlate with LOT?<

                    I have no clue how you would judge the force.

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                    • #11
                      Bib, I should probably quit while I'm behind...

                      I am really sucking at trying to convey the thoughts in my head. It seems that, for me personally, once LOT get's to 7-8 (currently where mine is), that the pubic bone curves inward towards the anus. Getting to a LOT of 6 would allow the shaft to measure longer, assuming bone press from the inward curved portion of the pubic bone, but when the shaft protrudes horizontally it won't protrude any farther than it did at the point where the curvature starts.

                      Ie, the tip of the shaft will move horizontally farther and farther from the body as length is gained from peeling it away from the verticle surface of the pubic bone, but when the bone starts to curve inward, further separation does not increase horzontal protrusion.

                      I had 3 beers at a lunch appointment. That' as clear as it's gonna get for now

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                      • #12
                        RB,

                        >I am really sucking at trying to convey the thoughts in my head. It seems that, for me personally, once LOT get's to 7-8 (currently where mine is), that the pubic bone curves inward towards the anus. Getting to a LOT of 6 would allow the shaft to measure longer, assuming bone press from the inward curved portion of the pubic bone, but when the shaft protrudes horizontally it won't protrude any farther than it did at the point where the curvature starts.

                        Ie, the tip of the shaft will move horizontally farther and farther from the body as length is gained from peeling it away from the verticle surface of the pubic bone, but when the bone starts to curve inward, further separation does not increase horzontal protrusion.<

                        You are doing fine.

                        I understand now, but you miss one important point. The pelvis is not static. If it were, you would be correct. Of course, this would make copulation, to be precise thrusting, difficult.

                        When thrusting, the pelvis tilts forward and upward, causing even the most recessed areas of the base of the penis to be available for use.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bib
                          RB,

                          I understand now, but you miss one important point. The pelvis is not static. If it were, you would be correct. Of course, this would make copulation, to be precise thrusting, difficult.

                          When thrusting, the pelvis tilts forward and upward, causing even the most recessed areas of the base of the penis to be available for use.

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                          Bib, do you mean the pelvis bone is curved to do as you describe while thrusting, or it is somehow hinged and actually moves independently in the manner you describe?

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                          • #14
                            RB,

                            >Bib, do you mean the pelvis bone is curved to do as you describe while thrusting, or it is somehow hinged and actually moves independently in the manner you describe?<

                            I think you are confusing the pubic bone with the pelvis. I am writing about the articulation of the pelvic girdle. The legs are able to move quite well within the pelvic girdle, and the spine is able to bend. This allows the pelvis to be thrust forward, allowing most if not all of the penis to be used.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

                              Hey Bib, what about the pics for a better illustration?

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