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  • #16
    Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

    PC,

    I have about five sets, all of which the quality sucks. I will have to find some more of a higher quality, then figure out how to post them.

    Thanks for the reminder,

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    • #17
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      Thats great Bib,
      can you also please post some new pics where we can see better what you mean with the palpation test? Some frontal pics of the whole area? May be from an 3d anatomy atlas?

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      • #18
        Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

        PC,

        >can you also please post some new pics where we can see better what you mean with the palpation test? Some frontal pics of the whole area? May be from an 3d anatomy atlas?<

        First, I do not know what the 3d anatomy atlas is.

        Concerning the palpation test, the drawing at the beginning of this thread shows very well the skin exit point, and the bottom of the pubic bone. You can see a good distance, about the entire height of the pubic bone, worth of inner shaft.

        If I can figure out how to post a pic, I guess I could draw a couple of lines on that pic. But it is easy to see.

        I do not know how a frontal pic would help with the palpation test.

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        • #19
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          "First, I do not know what the 3d anatomy atlas is."



          I can not see the end of the pubic bone in the drawing at the beginning of this thread. Too much imagination for me.
          May be an x-ray of the would be better, you could tell us exactly what you mean with end of the pubic bone.
          Or may be this pic here:

          http://ewake.wfubmc.edu:88/library/Mode ... 0_F329.jpg

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          • #20
            Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

            PC,

            Crap, I put arrows on the first drawing, but do not know how to upload it. I will try to get TS to put it on here.

            >I can not see the end of the pubic bone in the drawing at the beginning of this thread. Too much imagination for me.<

            It is the bottom of the pubic bone. I will get the drawing on here.

            >Or may be this pic here<

            I can see it, but it is more difficult from the front.

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            • #21
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              To add an attachment to a post, just look below the reply box (where you type in your post) and click on the Upload Attachment text. Then browse your computer for the file, select the file you want to upload, then click the Add this file button. Then click the Submit button on your post

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              • #22
                Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

                TS,

                Many thanks.

                PC,

                OK, the pic is not as big as the original, but you should be able to see the arrows denoting the skin exit point and the bottom of the pubic bone. In that drawing, that guy has about the full height of the pubic bone worth of shaft that can be pulled out and down.

                Just imagine the shaft, rather than exiting at the top of the pubic bone, exits at the bottom of the pubic bone. The shaft would be hanging between the guys legs, with much more shaft out of the body.

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by Bib
                  >Or may be this pic here<

                  I can see it, but it is more difficult from the front.
                  I think this pic is better because you can refer it better to what you are feeling. May be its just me.

                  Back to the pic with your arrows. I thought the guy has a low exit point, which indicates that he has not much potential of inner shaft. I thought so, because his penis is hanging low, his glans is touching his balls. I thought this would be a low exit point.

                  Back to my situation, i have a LOT from 09-09:30, according to your palpation test i have 1.7-2 inches of inner shaft.
                  According to the mirror test i have a low exit point.
                  May be im doing the mirror test wrong because i have no standard of comparison. A pic might help.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

                    PC,

                    >I think this pic is better because you can refer it better to what you are feeling. May be its just me.<

                    Well, if you know what you are seeing, it is fine. You can see in your pic where the two halves of the pubic bone come together. There is a tan line there, collagenous material in living folks, and some kind of glue or rubber in that pic of the pelvis. The arrow should be at the bottom of that pubic bone.

                    >Back to the pic with your arrows. I thought the guy has a low exit point, which indicates that he has not much potential of inner shaft. I thought so, because his penis is hanging low, his glans is touching his balls. I thought this would be a low exit point.<

                    Probably a medium exit point. Couple things: First, the subject seems to be leaning forward a bit. Next, whether the glans touches the balls is not a good point to consider. Many things can lead to that, such as a long outer shaft. It is not an indication of inner shaft.

                    Whatever, there is a good bit of inner shaft where if the ligs were stretched, and that inner part to the bottom of the pubic bone was pulled away from the pubic bone, it would become outer shaft.

                    >Back to my situation, i have a LOT from 09-09:30, according to your palpation test i have 1.7-2 inches of inner shaft. According to the mirror test i have a low exit point. May be im doing the mirror test wrong because i have no standard of comparison. A pic might help.<

                    The problem there is, most guys in porn have very low exit points. I have no idea where to get a pic of a higher exit point. About the best I can do is the crude drawing with the colored dots on it.

                    If I were you, I would go by the palpation test, and the LOT test. Sounds as if you are confident there.

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by Bib
                      The problem there is, most guys in porn have very low exit points. I have no idea where to get a pic of a higher exit point. About the best I can do is the crude drawing with the colored dots on it.
                      I think that most porn guys have a normal exit point like the average guy outside porn. May be you just think that these guys have a low one, i mean where is your reference? How many guys did you saw naked with legs close together infront of you? I dont think you saw one. I also never saw a porn where the guy was standing like in the mirror test infront of a camera.
                      What about guys with a more curved pubic bone, they automatically hang lower.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Mirror and Palpation Tests

                        PC,

                        >I think that most porn guys have a normal exit point like the average guy outside porn.<

                        Really, and what gives you that impression? What is your reference?

                        >May be you just think that these guys have a low one, i mean where is your reference?<

                        Reference would be sight. Looking at them. There is no doubt most have a low exit point compared to the general population.

                        >How many guys did you saw naked with legs close together infront of you? I dont think you saw one.<

                        School athletics. Perhaps hundreds. On the net, many more. Enough to know the general population of guys has a much higher exit point than guys in porn.

                        >I also never saw a porn where the guy was standing like in the mirror test infront of a camera.<

                        No, they are even easier to see than judging with legs close together. When it appears their shaft is exiting out close to their anus, you can be sure that is a low exit point.

                        >What about guys with a more curved pubic bone, they automatically hang lower.<

                        No idea what that is about.

                        Now, the question is, what possible difference to anything could your post above make? These tests are simply for a guy to judge what his situation is, and how best to work. Why did you make the post? What is the relevance?

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                        • #27
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                          I'll write how I understand it and you correct if wrong. The length of inner shaft 2, what you defined as shaft from the buttom of the pubic bone to the skin exit point, is the length which can be gained from stretching ligaments. As I understand the inner shaft 1 does not have anything to do with gains because it's below the end of pubic bone?
                          So when stretching ligaments at low angles, skin exit point gets lower and the length between the buttom of the pubic bone and the skin exit point decreases, inner shaft 2 exposes out, so gains are realized.
                          You say the line of groinal grooves intersection is about the end of the pubic bone. I don't understand how can then shaft exit be below that point.

                          <Once you have found the bottom of the pubic bone, where the shaft and bottom of the pubic bone intersect, keep a finger on that point. Then, you can actually measure the distance between that point, and the skin exit point.>
                          Looking at the diagram at mirror/palpation thread the shaft doesn't intersects with the end of the pubic bone but it's about on half of it. Does it mean it can still be moved to the end of it when stretched.

                          Also there is a small mistake, <if you were to maximally stretch the ligs, and expose all of the inner shaft 1, making it outer shaft, this is what you could gain, discounting pubic fat (pubic bone pressed measure).> But inner shaft 2 is rather exposed than inner shaft 1?
                          I'm trying to clear in my mind about how this works with lig lengthening in correlation with what these tests shows.

                          If the ligs are higher and tighter (higher LOT) but long does it mean that chances for gaining are much lesser than with short ones (same LOT)

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                          • #28
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                            kran,

                            >I'll write how I understand it and you correct if wrong. The length of inner shaft 2, what you defined as shaft from the buttom of the pubic bone to the skin exit point, is the length which can be gained from stretching ligaments. As I understand the inner shaft 1 does not have anything to do with gains because it's below the end of pubic bone?<

                            Not entirely. Once the ligs and other connective tissue in the area have been stretched out, hanging stresses at the upper angles will ususally affect inner shaft 1. Therefore, you may be able to eventually get gains from tunica stretch in that area.

                            >So when stretching ligaments at low angles, skin exit point gets lower and the length between the buttom of the pubic bone and the skin exit point decreases, inner shaft 2 exposes out, so gains are realized.<

                            Correct.

                            >You say the line of groinal grooves intersection is about the end of the pubic bone. I don't understand how can then shaft exit be below that point.<

                            I have no idea how to answer that. The shaft comes UNDER the pubic bone to begin with. When you hang at the lower angles, you not only stretch the ligs but the skin also. The fundiform ligs are also stretched, which lowers the scrotum.

                            There is no physical reason that you could not stretch everything to where teh shaft exit point could be well below the pubic bone. Just not a good idea because of stability and esthetics.

                            >Looking at the diagram at mirror/palpation thread the shaft doesn't intersects with the end of the pubic bone but it's about on half of it. Does it mean it can still be moved to the end of it when stretched.<

                            I do not understand the question. Where the shaft goes under the bottom of the pubic bone, that is the intersection I am refering to, whether the shaft then goes up the pubic bone, or hangs down.

                            >Also there is a small mistake, <if you were to maximally stretch the ligs, and expose all of the inner shaft 1, making it outer shaft, this is what you could gain, discounting pubic fat (pubic bone pressed measure).> But inner shaft 2 is rather exposed than inner shaft 1?
                            I'm trying to clear in my mind about how this works with lig lengthening in correlation with what these tests shows.

                            If the ligs are higher and tighter (higher LOT) but long does it mean that chances for gaining are much lesser than with short ones (same LOT)
                            I'll write how I understand it and you correct if wrong. The length of inner shaft 2, what you defined as shaft from the buttom of the pubic bone to the skin exit point, is the length which can be gained from stretching ligaments. As I understand the inner shaft 1 does not have anything to do with gains because it's below the end of pubic bone?
                            So when stretching ligaments at low angles, skin exit point gets lower and the length between the buttom of the pubic bone and the skin exit point decreases, inner shaft 2 exposes out, so gains are realized.
                            You say the line of groinal grooves intersection is about the end of the pubic bone. I don't understand how can then shaft exit be below that point.

                            <Once you have found the bottom of the pubic bone, where the shaft and bottom of the pubic bone intersect, keep a finger on that point. Then, you can actually measure the distance between that point, and the skin exit point.>
                            Looking at the diagram at mirror/palpation thread the shaft doesn't intersects with the end of the pubic bone but it's about on half of it. Does it mean it can still be moved to the end of it when stretched.

                            >>Also there is a small mistake, <if you were to maximally stretch the ligs, and expose all of the inner shaft 1, making it outer shaft, this is what you could gain, discounting pubic fat (pubic bone pressed measure).> But inner shaft 2 is rather exposed than inner shaft 1?<<

                            Yes, that is correct. Inner shaft 2 is exposed. Inner shaft 1 is from the anchor points to the bottom of the pubic bone. Where did you see that?

                            >I'm trying to clear in my mind about how this works with lig lengthening in correlation with what these tests shows.

                            >If the ligs are higher and tighter (higher LOT) but long does it mean that chances for gaining are much lesser than with short ones (same LOT)<

                            Well, long does not mesh with tight. Tight means the shaft is held close to the pubic bone, which would mean the ligs are short.

                            Now, if you mean the lig attachment are high, but the ligs are long vs the same lig attachment, but shorter ligs, then the shorter ligs would have more potential for gains from lig stretch. But then, the second case would have a higher LOT.

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                            • #29
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                              kran,

                              I found my screwups. There were actually two places where I had inner shaft 1 and 2 mixed up.

                              Thanks,

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                              • #30
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                                OK, got better understanding now. After gains from ligs are exausted, and later after some gains from work on tunica, there is new potential for ligs gains so that means "new" inner shaft 2 forms so it can be exposed out again, is that right? If so then can gains from ligs be unlimited too as well as gains from tunica stretching?

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