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  • SteveyL
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    Bib, thanks for the answers and patience.

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  • Bib
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    SteveyL,

    >Yes there is a lot of info there but it's almost like arriving in the middle of the conversation when everyone already knows the absolute basics. Kind of like walking into an advanced class when you don't know anything. How to calculate LOT is not clearly explained in one place. <

    Grasp your penis head. Stretch up toward your chin. Kegal. You should see the head tug back. Move down the clock face slowly, kegaling as you go. When you first see a reduction in tugback, that is your LOT.

    >is 6 o'clock vertically down from seated position and 9'oclock horizontal?<

    Standing. 6 is straight down. If you can stretch straight down, kegal, and see a good tugback, your LOT is 6. If you cannot see a tugback at 12, stretching toward your chin, your LOT is 12. If you begin to see a reduction in tugback at 9, your LOT is 9.

    >Or would 3 be horizontal? I'm guessing 9 since most people have LOT higher than 6.<

    Yes. I use the 9 side of the clock face.

    > From what I understand a low LOT hang high and a high LOT hang low. But ranges and angles aren't clearly given. Something like 8-10 hang BTC, 6-8 hang OTS would be simple and clear.<

    You hang at the lower angles until your LOT is 6, low skin exit point, and an inch or less of inner penis.

    >I read the mirror and palpation topics, and I figure I have a medium to high exit point. My LOT is basically horizontal. I couldn't feel the end of my pubic bone when I tried so the palpation test wasn't very successful so I might keep trying but I could just be poking around in the wrong place. But I guess hanging BTC will be the safe way forward.<

    Yes.

    >One question is, as your inner shaft stretches to become outer shaft does your exit point move down?<

    Yes... Actually, the inner shaft does not stretch while hanging at the lower angles. You are stretching the ligs, to pull the inner shaft out and down. That lowers your skin exit point.

    >So far for 5 weeks I have been hanging straight down for 2 sets with BTC for final set. I find BTC much more uncomfortable to hang so I try to do it with less weight at the end when already fatigued. My BPEL has gone from 6'875 to 7.125" and stretched length is now 7.5" which is faster results than I expected. I am still Jelqing 20mins per day during this time, but gains from jelqing stopped months ago. I'm not sure it's worthwhile to continue, but I did go from 6.0 to 6.875 from jelqing alone.<

    You should do 10-20 minutes of LIGHT jelqing after every hanging session, in order to restore full circulation. The is low erection strength, and low hand pressure.

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  • SteveyL
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    Yes there is a lot of info there but it's almost like arriving in the middle of the conversation when everyone already knows the absolute basics. Kind of like walking into an advanced class when you don't know anything. How to calculate LOT is not clearly explained in one place. is 6 o'clock vertically down from seated position and 9'oclock horizontal? Or would 3 be horizontal? I'm guessing 9 since most people have LOT higher than 6. From what I understand a low LOT hang high and a high LOT hang low. But ranges and angles aren't clearly given. Something like 8-10 hang BTC, 6-8 hang OTS would be simple and clear.

    I read the mirror and palpation topics, and I figure I have a medium to high exit point. My LOT is basically horizontal. I couldn't feel the end of my pubic bone when I tried so the palpation test wasn't very successful so I might keep trying but I could just be poking around in the wrong place. But I guess hanging BTC will be the safe way forward.
    One question is, as your inner shaft stretches to become outer shaft does your exit point move down?

    So far for 5 weeks I have been hanging straight down for 2 sets with BTC for final set. I find BTC much more uncomfortable to hang so I try to do it with less weight at the end when already fatigued. My BPEL has gone from 6'875 to 7.125" and stretched length is now 7.5" which is faster results than I expected. I am still Jelqing 20mins per day during this time, but gains from jelqing stopped months ago. I'm not sure it's worthwhile to continue, but I did go from 6.0 to 6.875 from jelqing alone.

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  • Bib
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    SteveyL,

    >I'm kind of confused, there was nothing in the NOS about LOT. And reading this opening thread while knowing nothing about LOT is extremely confusing. IS there a topic or anything where it just says simply and directly,<

    The first post in this thread fairly well explains it. It is one of the tests to determine what your potential for gains from lig stretch is. Also, read the mirror and palpation tests thread.

    >1. What is LOT and how to find it<

    That is in the first post of this thread.

    >2. What to do with that information.<

    Gives you an approximation of your potential for gains from lig stretch. Gives you an idea of how long you will be hanging at the lower angles.

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  • SteveyL
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    I'm kind of confused, there was nothing in the NOS about LOT. And reading this opening thread while knowing nothing about LOT is extremely confusing. IS there a topic or anything where it just says simply and directly,
    1. What is LOT and how to find it
    2. What to do with that information.

    That's all I need to know and I must be dumb or something because I can't find it.

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  • Swapzor
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    Ok thank you.

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  • Bib
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    Swapzor,

    >You said to stress the tunica I could do "... the RSDT fulcrum, and OTS". Are these exercises done with the bib-hanger, or is it something completly diffrent?<

    It sounds like, depending on your other tests, you should be stretching the ligs for a good while.

    But the RSDT instructions are in the Basics section. OTS is explained in the abbreviations thread, Basics section.

    All of them use the Bib hanger.

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  • Swapzor
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    Thanks. You said to stress the tunica I could do "... the RSDT fulcrum, and OTS". Are these exercises done with the bib-hanger, or is it something completly diffrent?

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  • Bib
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    Swapzor,

    >Just to clarify, is the LOT when you lost the tugback a 100% or when its diminished so much its nearly gone? Mine starts to fade away alot after 8 and is prob gone around 7-7:30 but its also gone at 6 ofc. Im reading about the other tests and will figure them out also.<

    Your LOT is when you first see a reduction in tugback. That is when the ligs first begin to engage. So yours appears to be somewhere above 8.

    >If my LOT is low, those exercise you describe, are they done with the BiBhanger or is it no point in buying it?<

    I have no idea what you mean. As I said above, LOT only determines what you will spend the most time doing, over the months.

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  • Swapzor
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    Just to clarify, is the LOT when you lost the tugback a 100% or when its diminished so much its nearly gone? Mine starts to fade away alot after 8 and is prob gone around 7-7:30 but its also gone at 6 ofc. Im reading about the other tests and will figure them out also.

    If my LOT is low, those exercise you describe, are they done with the BiBhanger or is it no point in buying it? Thanks for the response

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  • Bib
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    Swapzor,

    >I've done PE (no hanging tho) and have a very LOW LOT, like 6 a klock. I dont know what I started with tho.Is this "good or bad"?<

    First, you need to confirm. What are the results of your other two tests?

    If you do have a low LOT, it is not good or bad. It just means you will need to go to tunica work, using the RSDT fulcrum, and OTS, both with and without a fulcrum.

    Tunica gains are generally slower than gains from lig stretch. But they are not limited.

    Realize that you cannot start out with tunica work. You will need to condition your soft tissues, and work up to where you can handle 20 lbs or more.

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  • Swapzor
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    I've done PE (no hanging tho) and have a very LOW LOT, like 6 a klock. I dont know what I started with tho.Is this "good or bad"?

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  • Bib
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    IwantGains,

    >The high LOT group would gain best if they hang/stretch at low angles and the low LOT group would gain best if they hang/stretch at high angles. Is what I got right or I am mistaking somewhere?<

    Any guy needs to fully stretch out his ligs before he begins tunica work. That means hanging at the lower angles until he has an LOT of about 6, low skin exit point, about an inch of inner penis.

    >And ok- I think I got the theory (if it is what I wrote above), how exactly do I determine what my LOT is (because I saw you were referring to some numbers- how do I determine what my number is)?<

    The LOT test thread link is imbedded in the mirror and palpation test thread.

    >And another thing- through the mirror test people can see how high their ligs are, but how is it possible to determine whether the ligs are tight and short or not?<

    If their skin exit point is high, the ligs will be tight and short.

    >P.S- Sorry for asking stupid questions, but this really confuses me.<

    Just do a lot of reading. It is all here, and discussed many many times.

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  • IwantGains
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    Re: Bib's LOT Theory : A must-read

    Ok, so as the user kran has posted- I saw in the picture what you mean by low and high LOT- the upper your penis exits the body the higher the LOT and therefore the lower the penis exits the body the lower the LOT. The subjects that had high LOT short and tough ligaments gained more and the subjects that had low LOT long and loose ligaments gained less. The high LOT group would gain best if they hang/stretch at low angles and the low LOT group would gain best if they hang/stretch at high angles. Is what I got right or I am mistaking somewhere?

    And ok- I think I got the theory (if it is what I wrote above), how exactly do I determine what my LOT is (because I saw you were referring to some numbers- how do I determine what my number is)?

    And another thing- through the mirror test people can see how high their ligs are, but how is it possible to determine whether the ligs are tight and short or not?

    P.S- Sorry for asking stupid questions, but this really confuses me.

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  • Bib
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    Kran,

    Thanks a lot.

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