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  • #16
    If you are reaching fatigue in the skin at six lbs, that is great. Stay there. No reason to push it.
    Apologies for perhaps the most idiotic and redundant questions (I am quite a slow learner! ha!), but how I differentiate between the region beneath my skin at base being just being totally conditioned--and therefore more sensitive--and having reached fatigue? The sensitivity is kind of like when you exercise your chest and it's sore the next day, but not enough where if you move you feel; rather, you have to press the area to feel the soreness.

    If you were to do an ab crunch while doing BTC, do you feel a sensation at the base? Is that an indication of fatigue?

    The 6 pounds has never felt like I needed to go down in weight yet, so can it still be fatigue? Or is fatigue exclusively when you no longer can feel you can hang at the current weight and you must go down?

    In addition to that, my skin is still quite tight, so I'm unsure how to stretch it if I'm reaching fatigue (if it even is fatigue).

    Is it ever the case where you make gains and then dedicate your hanging to stretching skin? Or is it always starting with skin stretch and moving onto dedicated gains?

    It should not retract a great deal without forward pressure. It should move over the head somewhat when you push forward to remove excess blood.
    I think I figured my problem out: I wasn't wrapping tight enough on my subsequent wraps after the first. Just tested it out in my last session, and the wrap only moved over the head a bit.

    In your observations of other users, is it common that the entire head is covered by the foreskin (if the person has foreskin) when hanging? Perhaps a silly question.

    That is really abnormal. Six lbs should not pull the wrap off. You are not going through enough rounds of tightening.
    Gotcha. I will tighten more and slowly in my next session.

    When you are doing a dedicated skin stretch, are you still tightening slowly but not as much to not grasp the internals?
    Last edited by qwerty12; 05-16-2022, 04:20 AM.

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    • #17
      qwerty12,

      >Apologies for perhaps the most idiotic and redundant questions (I am quite a slow learner! ha!), but how I differentiate between the region beneath my skin at base being just being totally conditioned--and therefore more sensitive--and having reached fatigue? <

      When your skin is conditioned, it can take MORE stress, there is less discomfort. When you have inflammation and discomfort in the skin at the base, that means it is being stretched and deformed.

      >The sensitivity is kind of like when you exercise your chest and it's sore the next day, but not enough where if you move you feel; rather, you have to press the area to feel the soreness.<

      Sounds good.

      >If you were to do an ab crunch while doing BTC, do you feel a sensation at the base?<

      Yes.

      >Is that an indication of fatigue?<

      Crunches can help you get into fatigue. But the sensation you want is discomfort. You want to get the weight off after 20 minutes.

      >The 6 pounds has never felt like I needed to go down in weight yet, so can it still be fatigue? <

      It is possible, either in the skin or ligs. But generally, the ligs requires a bit more weight to deform than the skin.

      >Or is fatigue exclusively when you no longer can feel you can hang at the current weight and you must go down?<

      That is good, significant fatigue. There is a range. A good stretch, all the way to teeth gritting, clock watching torture. The later you do not want.

      >In addition to that, my skin is still quite tight, so I'm unsure how to stretch it if I'm reaching fatigue (if it even is fatigue).<

      If your skin is tight at the base when hanging BTC, then dedicated skin stretch is fine. Attach the hanger a half inch back from the normal range, and do not tighten to grasp the internals. Hang at least one normal set each day.

      >Is it ever the case where you make gains and then dedicate your hanging to stretching skin? Or is it always starting with skin stretch and moving onto dedicated gains?<

      You will probably need to do DSS every so often, if you are making good gains. It is just easier. But there are guys who stretch skin and internals at the same time. That requires more stress.

      DSS requires less stress overall. Divide and conquer.

      >I think I figured my problem out: I wasn't wrapping tight enough on my subsequent wraps after the first. Just tested it out in my last session, and the wrap only moved over the head a bit.<

      Good.

      >In your observations of other users, is it common that the entire head is covered by the foreskin (if the person has foreskin) when hanging? Perhaps a silly question.<

      If you mean uncut guys, yes. Cut guys, no.

      >When you are doing a dedicated skin stretch, are you still tightening slowly but not as much to not grasp the internals?<

      It usually takes only one round of tightening for DSS, and that not so tight.

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      • #18
        That is good, significant fatigue. There is a range. A good stretch, all the way to teeth gritting, clock watching torture. The later you do not want.
        So is it not always the case that I need to reach a maximum weight? I feel a pretty sustained and consistent stretch in my ligs (at least I think I do given the soreness the next day).

        Also, I am having some slight issues with maintaining the gap between the head and the hanger while hanging. I'm rather inconsistent in obtaining a gap.

        When I push the hanger towards the head to get the blood out, it works as intended. However, my issue is primarily in getting that gap. I put my left thumb and wiggle it around to give that gap again, but what ends up happening is that when I start hanging, the weight slightly pulls the hanger down, so I've lost the gap. In other words, there were two sets where the hanger and the coronal ridge were aligned. This happens especially if I wrap 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge.

        Couple of questions here:

        1. When you push to the head to get blood out and your wrap is basically covering the head of the penis now, how are putting your thumb in there to get the gap you desire? Are you pulling the hanger back a bit as you put your left thumb there to establish a gap?

        2. I'm assuming that the weight will always pull the hanger down a bit, so how should I account for this?

        Thanks as always!

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        • #19
          qwerty12,

          >So is it not always the case that I need to reach a maximum weight? I feel a pretty sustained and consistent stretch in my ligs (at least I think I do given the soreness the next day).<

          You need to define maximum weight. That worries me. But the answer is, you never hang a weight you have not conditioned soft tissues to hang, and you use the weight that brings on fatigue early in your sessions, and the weight that allows you to ride the fatigue throughout your sessions.

          If you mean your current max weight, that you have slowly worked up to, you always try to hang it to start. Then go from there. Reduce if needed.

          >When I push the hanger towards the head to get the blood out, it works as intended. However, my issue is primarily in getting that gap. I put my left thumb and wiggle it around to give that gap again, but what ends up happening is that when I start hanging, the weight slightly pulls the hanger down, so I've lost the gap. In other words, there were two sets where the hanger and the coronal ridge were aligned. This happens especially if I wrap 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge.

          Couple of questions here:

          1. When you push to the head to get blood out and your wrap is basically covering the head of the penis now, how are putting your thumb in there to get the gap you desire? Are you pulling the hanger back a bit as you put your left thumb there to establish a gap?<

          Yes, you pull the hanger back for a moment, get your thumb in, then continue with forward pressure.

          >2. I'm assuming that the weight will always pull the hanger down a bit, so how should I account for this?<

          You should tighten enough so that the hanger grasps the internals, and when weight is applied, the hanger should move down no more than a quarter inch, forming the shoulders.

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          • #20
            Yes, you pull the hanger back for a moment, get your thumb in, then continue with forward pressure.
            And you're only pulling the hanger back ever-so-slightly, right?

            Also, question about loose skin: when you first started hanging and reached fatigue at ~7.5 pounds (read this in an old thread), did you stretch your skin prior to reaching that weight?

            I ask because my skin is still tight after hanging and dedicating to skin stretches. The feeling is exclusively a skin burning sensation, but I do feel soreness in the ligs regardless. I assume that my hanging is focusing more on skin but still on ligs and bit.

            Shall I just move up in weight this week to stretch more skin? It's been about 1.5 week and nothing has really changed in my skin's looseness when I reach down while hanging BTC.

            There's some inconsistencies in sensation at times, too. Sometimes, in one set, the entire sensation is on the skin. In the next, it starts with the skin and then transitions to be more internal. Perhaps I am attaching inconsistently.
            Last edited by qwerty12; 05-18-2022, 04:55 PM.

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            • #21
              qwerty12,

              >And you're only pulling the hanger back ever-so-slightly, right?<

              Just enough to get quickly get your left thumb in between the head and hanger.

              >Also, question about loose skin: when you first started hanging and reached fatigue at ~7.5 pounds (read this in an old thread), did you stretch your skin prior to reaching that weight?<

              I do not believe so. Pretty sure not. IT was in'98,

              >I ask because my skin is still tight after hanging and dedicating to skin stretches. <

              You just started!

              >The feeling is exclusively a skin burning sensation, but I do feel soreness in the ligs regardless. I assume that my hanging is focusing more on skin but still on ligs and bit.<

              Well You should be hanging one normal set each day.

              >Shall I just move up in weight this week to stretch more skin?<

              No more than the 15% each week.

              >It's been about 1.5 week and nothing has really changed in my skin's looseness when I reach down while hanging BTC.<

              Give it more time, not weight.

              >There's some inconsistencies in sensation at times, too. Sometimes, in one set, the entire sensation is on the skin. In the next, it starts with the skin and then transitions to be more internal. Perhaps I am attaching inconsistently.<

              Most probably, you stretched some skin in the previous sets, and more stress was therefore taken by the internals. So you might move your attachment point back another quarter or half inch when that happens.

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              • #22
                Update today, still at 6 pounds, BTC.

                1) There's a really interesting sensation I get while hanging when doing a normal set (and sometimes even when I'm doing a dedicated skin stretch, though I assume I'm just attaching inconsistently). There's almost an electrifying sensation beneath my skin. It doesn't hurt. It's subtle but still is noticeable. I can feel it a variety of areas around the base sometimes. It's not necessarily discomforting, and the sensation doesn't happen all the time. Is this normal?

                2) As I press down on the region where the shaft connects to my body, it feels less sore than the week prior, but there is still some tenderness and sensitivity when I palpate the region under the skin. The skin itself is more sensitive to the touch, but it's not loose while I hang. May I get more clarity on looseness when hanging? How loose is it supposed to be? Are you supposed to be able to grab skin and tug it around, or is it that the skin moves a bit more if you were to try to grab it?

                Going to continue at 6 pounds as per your instruction of more time. I have not reached a point where hanging at 6 pounds comes to a point where I must go down in weight.

                Normally, my first set is when I try to stretch the ligs, with the 5 subsequent sets to be DDS. It starts off well with my ligs being stretched, and sometimes that electrifying sensation comes. My second set starts off with skin burning sensations and cools off as I continue to hang. Subsequent sets more or less the same thing, but in my very final sets (either the 5th or 6th), I don't really feel anything anymore.

                Is the general rule of thumb here to only go up in weight once you start not feeling anything during the first/second set?

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                • #23
                  qwerty12,

                  >1) There's a really interesting sensation I get while hanging when doing a normal set (and sometimes even when I'm doing a dedicated skin stretch, though I assume I'm just attaching inconsistently). There's almost an electrifying sensation beneath my skin. It doesn't hurt. It's subtle but still is noticeable. I can feel it a variety of areas around the base sometimes. It's not necessarily discomforting, and the sensation doesn't happen all the time. Is this normal?<

                  I reported that electric sensation many time when hanging for gains. I also had a sharp, sudden electric shock that would shoot up my shaft and into my body. Also the buzz ;type of sensation. I always attributed it to nerve deformation. Stretching of nerves causing a gap which gave the weird feelings. Nerve tissue can only generate about a quarter inch per month.

                  >2) As I press down on the region where the shaft connects to my body, it feels less sore than the week prior, but there is still some tenderness and sensitivity when I palpate the region under the skin. The skin itself is more sensitive to the touch, but it's not loose while I hang. May I get more clarity on looseness when hanging? How loose is it supposed to be? Are you supposed to be able to grab skin and tug it around, or is it that the skin moves a bit more if you were to try to grab it?<

                  It is really whatever you want. It can be just a bit more loose, in which case you will need to do dedicated skin stretch sooner in the future, or you can make it floppy almost, which is not very attractive for the time being.

                  >Going to continue at 6 pounds as per your instruction of more time. I have not reached a point where hanging at 6 pounds comes to a point where I must go down in weight.<

                  That seldom happens at six lbs.

                  >Normally, my first set is when I try to stretch the ligs, with the 5 subsequent sets to be DDS. It starts off well with my ligs being stretched, and sometimes that electrifying sensation comes. My second set starts off with skin burning sensations and cools off as I continue to hang. Subsequent sets more or less the same thing, but in my very final sets (either the 5th or 6th), I don't really feel anything anymore.<

                  OK, this is most likely the skin stretching out, to the point where the internals are taking stress as well. Might want to move the attachment point back for those last two sets.

                  >Is the general rule of thumb here to only go up in weight once you start not feeling anything during the first/second set?<

                  No more than 15% per week.

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                  • #24
                    Gotcha. Moved it further back and it did help.

                    I am wrapping about 1 - 1.5 inches away from the coronal ridge when stretched out if I intend to do a dedicated skin stretch. I wrap about 0.5 to 1 inch away from the coronal ridge if I'm targeting ligs.

                    When I attach the hanger for a DDS, I push forward to get blood as per usual. The wrap moves upwards, but it seems like I lose the 1 - 1.5 inches away from the coronal ridge. It shortens. The same happens when I wrap 0.5 to 1 inch away. Is this normal? The hanger does not slip when I tighten, though. The hanger is still usually 0.25 inches away from the coronal ridge for both DDS and lig stretches.

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                    • #25
                      Bigger, is it normal to have skin bleed and tear a bit? When I do DDS, there are white marks (they look like scratch marks almost) around the base of the base of the shaft. It's starting to feel like this will tear my skin.

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                      • #26
                        Nevermind. Did some more digging around the forum. It appears that it happens to others as well; I will just either drop the weight, change the angle (I literally lie down while I hang BTC, feet on chair, back on bed, gap in between the two is where the hanger hangs) or cut the sets.

                        Going to sit up a bit more instead of hanging completely horizontally.

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                        • #27
                          Going to go down in weight back to 5 pounds. Technique has been really inconsistent these past couple of days. Main issues right now seem to be related to the wrap.

                          If I attach and then hang the weight, wrap gets pulled down. It seems to be a combination of both how I am wrapping, because it seems I am not wrapping tight enough and also not grasping the internals properly. Going to test out wrapping a bit tighter at lower weights to get my wrapping and attachments right.

                          The region below my skin at the base is no longer sore. Seems my skin is taking all the stress, especially with these tears, which have now faintly started to bleed. Applying vaseline has been helpful. My goal now is to get the technique right first at lower weights, then focus on the DDS, adjusting the severity of the angle. I'm hoping instead of just laying down horizontally, if I prop myself up another 45 degrees that should mitigate the immense stress. I'll work back up slowly to a more of a horizontal layout when doing BTC.

                          Question: I've asked this before, but once you attach the hanger and weight, the wrap shouldn't be moving, right?
                          Last edited by qwerty12; 05-27-2022, 06:46 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Update for today:

                            Wrapping seems my biggest issue. 6 inches stretched flaccid when attempting to put on the wrap.

                            The wrap itself goes 1 inch behind my coronal ridge. I ignore the foreskin. I grab the head at the top; the foreskin that covers the coronal ridge is statically positioned. I pull my skin back behind the end of the wrap as each pass goes by to prevent wrinkled skin.

                            At the end of wrapping, as the penis starts to naturally retract, the wrap ends up somewhat over the head. Of course, this is somewhat manageable, but it's just inherently frustrating because if I try to get the blood out of my glans, the wrap just covers my head entirely. It's difficult to reposition the wrap as well. The problem is the same as this thread: https://forum.bibhanger.com/forum/fo...over-the-glans

                            Before, I just tried my best, but it's becoming endlessly frustrating because I've been rather inconsistent the past several days. Going back down to 2.5 pounds for 6 sets until I get the wrap right; would rather not hang at 5+ pounds with bad wrap technique.

                            I have tried wrapping further back, which does work. However, my attachment point is such that the emphasis is always on my skin. In other words, If I wrapped 1.5 inches behind the coronal ridge, any attachment point will just be a skin stretch (always feel the skin. the region under my skin at the base is no longer sore if I wrap 1.5 inches and attach anywhere where the wrap is).

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                            • #29
                              qwerty12,

                              >Question: I've asked this before, but once you attach the hanger and weight, the wrap shouldn't be moving, right?<

                              Right.

                              >Before, I just tried my best, but it's becoming endlessly frustrating because I've been rather inconsistent the past several days. Going back down to 2.5 pounds for 6 sets until I get the wrap right; would rather not hang at 5+ pounds with bad wrap technique.

                              I have tried wrapping further back, which does work. However, my attachment point is such that the emphasis is always on my skin. In other words, If I wrapped 1.5 inches behind the coronal ridge, any attachment point will just be a skin stretch (always feel the skin. the region under my skin at the base is no longer sore if I wrap 1.5 inches and attach anywhere where the wrap is).<

                              Email me the four technique pictures for evaluation, and I will try to get you in the ballpark.

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                              • #30
                                Pictures sent!

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