Log + Questions regarding attaching hanger

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>Got it. Is the general rule of thumb for grasping internals to tighten more slowly?<

No. It is to tighten enough for the amount of weight you wish to hang. To do that, you also need the correct WFG, and the correct hanger adjustments..

>The foreskin practically covers the whole head besides the tip of it. The foreskin essentially rolls in on itself and covers 4/5 of the head.<

The hanger should only move a quarter inch or less when you apply the weight. So it sounds like you are not grasping the internals.

>Also, is it possible to still stretch skin but not feel a burning sensation at surface skin of the base? I ask because I want to ensure I'm creating extra foreskin for myself. The sensation I have these days is not burning; my shaft is certainly very tender to the touch, especially as I tighten for subsequent rounds of hanging. Sometimes, the shaft is pretty sore itself. I do feel some slight inner sensations on the side of the shaft near the base.<

I guess it is possible.

>Currently hanging at 7.2; some days it feels like a lot and I need to drop the weight about 14 minutes in. I have a feeling I am doing something wrong, though, because it's both my shaft and slightly my base that cannot take the weight any longer. Other times, 7.2 pounds feels pretty good. I totally expect some fluctuations in my max weight, but I want to ensure I'm not just getting attachment discomfort as the source of why I drop the weight, especially if this kind of discomfort isn't considered fatigue.<

Attachment fatigue is not what you want. It may happen, but you want target tissue fatigue. Ligs at the base, and the shaft, tunica.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>Got it. Is the general rule of thumb for grasping internals to tighten more slowly?<

No. It is to tighten enough for the amount of weight you wish to hang. To do that, you also need the correct WFG, and the correct hanger adjustments..

>The foreskin practically covers the whole head besides the tip of it. The foreskin essentially rolls in on itself and covers 4/5 of the head.<

The hanger should only move a quarter inch or less when you apply the weight. So it sounds like you are not grasping the internals.

>Also, is it possible to still stretch skin but not feel a burning sensation at surface skin of the base? I ask because I want to ensure I'm creating extra foreskin for myself. The sensation I have these days is not burning; my shaft is certainly very tender to the touch, especially as I tighten for subsequent rounds of hanging. Sometimes, the shaft is pretty sore itself. I do feel some slight inner sensations on the side of the shaft near the base.<

I guess it is possible.

>Currently hanging at 7.2; some days it feels like a lot and I need to drop the weight about 14 minutes in. I have a feeling I am doing something wrong, though, because it's both my shaft and slightly my base that cannot take the weight any longer. Other times, 7.2 pounds feels pretty good. I totally expect some fluctuations in my max weight, but I want to ensure I'm not just getting attachment discomfort as the source of why I drop the weight, especially if this kind of discomfort isn't considered fatigue.<

Attachment fatigue is not what you want. It may happen, but you want target tissue fatigue. Ligs at the base, and the shaft, tunica.

Bigger

I see. Thanks, Bigger!

What I will do is add more wrap because I think it's not much, open up the bottom screws to accommodate more wrap, and then tighten a bit more. Will update what I'm feeling in my adjustments later tonight.

[qwerty12]

Bigger, may I send you an email with a photo of what the folding of the foreskin looks like? I wanted to double check if you've seen anything like this before and if this a sign of incorrect wrapping or something else.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>Bigger, may I send you an email with a photo of what the folding of the foreskin looks like? I wanted to double check if you've seen anything like this before and if this a sign of incorrect wrapping or something else.<

Email all of your technique pictures, so I can see your wrapping in context.

I need four pictures only.

1. Wrapped bundle taken from the top of the shaft. Grasp the head and stretch out the shaft.

2. Bottom hex nut adjustments, taken from the bottom of the hanger.

3. Attachment point, hanger on, not tightened, taken from the top of the shaft.

4. Hanging pictures, taken from the top of the shaft. I must be able to see the head.

Please indicate the set in which the pictures were taken; 1st, 2nd, last, etc.

Be sure to detail any problems you are having, so that I can address them.

Be sure to attach the pictures to the email. Do NOT embed them.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>Bigger, may I send you an email with a photo of what the folding of the foreskin looks like? I wanted to double check if you've seen anything like this before and if this a sign of incorrect wrapping or something else.<

Email all of your technique pictures, so I can see your wrapping in context.

I need four pictures only.

1. Wrapped bundle taken from the top of the shaft. Grasp the head and stretch out the shaft.

2. Bottom hex nut adjustments, taken from the bottom of the hanger.

3. Attachment point, hanger on, not tightened, taken from the top of the shaft.

4. Hanging pictures, taken from the top of the shaft. I must be able to see the head.

Please indicate the set in which the pictures were taken; 1st, 2nd, last, etc.

Be sure to detail any problems you are having, so that I can address them.

Be sure to attach the pictures to the email. Do NOT embed them.

Bigger

Just emailed them to you. Thank you.

[Bib]

>For #4, the hanger drops a bit too low and starts to border the coronal ridge. I still feel my ligaments being stretched, and my head isn't full of blood. It's hard to see in these pictures because the foreskin just sort of rolls in on itself. My concern is that if I attach further back, my skin feels like it's going to stretch more. <

Your hanger is riding on the head. That is very bad. You need at least a full quarter inch between the coronal ridge and the hanger, as seen from the side, midline of the shaft.

>The other issue is that after hanging, the left side of my foreskin is "puffy." The foreskin kind of puffs up as a lump, but it's soft and doesn't hurt at all. This happens because as the foreskin rolls up while hanging, I'm guessing it keeps it in that state. After several hours, the foreskin flattens out again and is fine. Is this edema? <

Most probably. It is from the hanger effectively not being tight enough. So your wrapped bundle is not solid or stable, the bottom gap needs to be smaller, and the hanger tighter so it does not slip.

>I've been playing around with looser wrapping. Curious if it needs to be tighter. I will say that no matter how I wrap, loosely or tightly, the wrap almost always end up above the head of my penis because the skin is moving upwards. That tells me I am wrapping incorrectly, because my understanding is that the skin should not move once wrapped, and that my penis should be in an elongated state because of the wrap. But I am not sure what is going wrong because when I stretch the penis out to wrap, I don't pull the foreskin back. The extra skin you see at the base of the wrap is just skin I pulled under to prevent wrinkling.<

You do not want the wrap moving over the skin whatsoever. That is WAY too loose. You must pull a good bit more tension on your later passes of wrap in the hanger attachment zone. IF tight enough, the wrapped bundle will not move.

>Whenever I do hang, it feels like the wrap is moving downward because the skin is bunching up towards the front.<

It probably is. You also need to move your bottom inner hex nuts in a good bit, and tighten more, to grasp the internals.

>In more granularity, say the head doesn't have foreskin bunched at the start of hanging. As the hanging progresses, the skin slowly moves towards the head, which bunches it up. When the foreskin bundles/folds in on itself at the head, after hanging my foreskin looks lopsided. The left side of the foreskin at the tip of the head is "puffy." The right side of the foreskin looks normal. <

Do not do that.

>My hypothesis here is that I'm not grasping the internals. <

Exactly correct.

>1. If the internals are grasped, skin under the wrap should not move, correct?<

Right.

>2. In order to grasp internals more, should I add more wrap than I currently have? My bottom gap seems pretty wide. <

For now, just move the inner adjustment hex nuts in a good bit. Your bottom gap is plenty wide. Make the corrections, and send four more pics.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

>For #4, the hanger drops a bit too low and starts to border the coronal ridge. I still feel my ligaments being stretched, and my head isn't full of blood. It's hard to see in these pictures because the foreskin just sort of rolls in on itself. My concern is that if I attach further back, my skin feels like it's going to stretch more. <

Your hanger is riding on the head. That is very bad. You need at least a full quarter inch between the coronal ridge and the hanger, as seen from the side, midline of the shaft.

>The other issue is that after hanging, the left side of my foreskin is "puffy." The foreskin kind of puffs up as a lump, but it's soft and doesn't hurt at all. This happens because as the foreskin rolls up while hanging, I'm guessing it keeps it in that state. After several hours, the foreskin flattens out again and is fine. Is this edema? <

Most probably. It is from the hanger effectively not being tight enough. So your wrapped bundle is not solid or stable, the bottom gap needs to be smaller, and the hanger tighter so it does not slip.

>I've been playing around with looser wrapping. Curious if it needs to be tighter. I will say that no matter how I wrap, loosely or tightly, the wrap almost always end up above the head of my penis because the skin is moving upwards. That tells me I am wrapping incorrectly, because my understanding is that the skin should not move once wrapped, and that my penis should be in an elongated state because of the wrap. But I am not sure what is going wrong because when I stretch the penis out to wrap, I don't pull the foreskin back. The extra skin you see at the base of the wrap is just skin I pulled under to prevent wrinkling.<

You do not want the wrap moving over the skin whatsoever. That is WAY too loose. You must pull a good bit more tension on your later passes of wrap in the hanger attachment zone. IF tight enough, the wrapped bundle will not move.

>Whenever I do hang, it feels like the wrap is moving downward because the skin is bunching up towards the front.<

It probably is. You also need to move your bottom inner hex nuts in a good bit, and tighten more, to grasp the internals.

>In more granularity, say the head doesn't have foreskin bunched at the start of hanging. As the hanging progresses, the skin slowly moves towards the head, which bunches it up. When the foreskin bundles/folds in on itself at the head, after hanging my foreskin looks lopsided. The left side of the foreskin at the tip of the head is "puffy." The right side of the foreskin looks normal. <

Do not do that.

>My hypothesis here is that I'm not grasping the internals. <

Exactly correct.

>1. If the internals are grasped, skin under the wrap should not move, correct?<

Right.

>2. In order to grasp internals more, should I add more wrap than I currently have? My bottom gap seems pretty wide. <

For now, just move the inner adjustment hex nuts in a good bit. Your bottom gap is plenty wide. Make the corrections, and send four more pics.

Bigger

Hi Bigger, I just sent you some new pictures with the update. Thank you.

[Bib]

qwerty,

> I added more pictures of the edema just for context. Hope that it is ok.<

No need for two reasons...I know what edema looks like, and you just made the first adjustment. You cannot judge anything by the edema, yet.

One question, are you cut or uncut?

>In short, I shortened the bottom gap, wrapped tighter, and started to tighten more. Specifically, when I tightened, I waited a bit longer after tightening a bit each time for the tissues to adapt to the hanger.<

You are not there yet. Now you need to use more wrap. A couple more passes in the attachment zone. Your attachment point is ok, and you have some wrap behind the hanger. But you may need a strip of wrap several inches longer than what you are using.

>I tried 3 sets today with this new setup, but I am still having edema issues (as you can see in the pictures). I had to end my third set 12 minutes in because the edema started to sting/the discomfort was something I couldn't tolerate for the rest of the set. Appreciate any advice you have. Thanks again<

Do everything else about the same. Try 2-3 more passes of wrap in the attachment zone. You may have to move the bottom inner adjustments back out some. Keep about that same wrap tightness.

Bigger

[Bib]

qwerty,

>Forgot to take a picture of the attachment point, but it's basically the same as the previous one. <

I need all four for context. Attachment to see how far the hanger goes toward the head when hanging.

You seem to have spread the wrap out more over the shaft, which is fine. But you need a bit more tightness in the attachment zone, and more wrap in the attachment zone. Hard to tell, but it appears the top gap is now too small.

It appears the hanger might be too close to the head in the hanging pic.

>1. It is much more comfortable than before. That stinging sensation from the edema doesn't happen immediately. Before, in my first set of the session, the foreskin would bundle IMMEDIATELY. Now, I tightened more and more slowly, waiting for the internal structures to mold to the hanger.<

Give the edema time to fix itself as you experiment with your technique.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

General Update 8/8/2022:

Been hanging since April now. Max weight is about 7.2 pounds. I definitely have felt some sort of deeper stretching of the ligs. Have only recently started to feel this sensation since maybe the end of June and some parts of July. Nothing noticeable in gains. Measurements are all around the same as they were before. This was due to a pretty steep learning curve of learning how to stretch more skin.

I definitely have more skin than before. Hoping to measure BPFL, BPFSL, and BPEL a lot more often now that the skin portion is taken care of.

The tweaks in technique (wrapping and gaps) have helped the edema a bit. The foreskin still bundles at the top. However, I usually have to limit my hanging time anywhere from 15 to 17 minutes due to major discomfort of the foreskin fluid build up at the last final minutes of the set (so anywhere from 5 minutes left or less). The one thing that's interesting is that before, my edema would appear immediately after the first set. As mentioned, the tweaks in technique and whatnot have helped mitigate the issue. The edema really only lingers after the third set (I split my 6 sets in two; 3 in morning, 3 at night, so basically edema happens twice a day). Jelqing helps a ton with making the edema go away, and it doesn't hurt/sting as much as before. The only side effect I've been experienced that is unbelievably annoying is how itchy the foreskin (literally under the skin) gets at night. Not sure what explains this.

I will say that I am a lot slower than most guys in going up in weight. 7.2 pounds already feels really heavy, and I feel a form of fatigue I haven't before (note that I only recently started with 7.2 pounds just 3 weeks ago or so). I have no issues in going slowly in weight. Base of the penis is pretty sore after today's session, and even dropping down to 5.5 pounds really stretched the ligs.

[Bib]

werty,

Your pictures are getting more and more close up. I need to see more area in order to have context.

Your later passes of wrap are still not nearly tight enough. The wrapped bundle is folding up when you tighten the hanger. That is not good. Pull must more tension on the later passes of wrap, as you hold the last pass of wrap and shaft in tandem.

You have a stretching hand, left or right, and a wrapping hand, left or right.
Stretch out the penis, grasping the head and pulling straight out. Then smooth the skin back toward the base. While still stretched out, start your wrap, pinning the leading edge of the wrap between your stretching fingers (middle finger and ring finger), and your shaft. Start a half inch to 1.25 inches from the coronal ridge, depending on overall length.

Make your first pass of wrap around, and then a second about an eighth inch down from the first. Many guys like a third close pass at the top. Then grasp those first passes of wrap and the shaft firmly with your wrapping hand, at the top of the passes, and transfer your stretching grip from the head, to those first passes of wrap, and continue the stretch.

Then grasp the loose skin, and tug it back toward the base, all around the shaft. This should pull out any wrinkled skin under those first passes of wrap.
While still stretching out the shaft, make another pass, perhaps a quarter to a half inch down from the original passes. Transfer your stretching grip to the top of the new pass of wrap, holding the wrap and shaft in tandem. Then again tug the skin back toward the base. Continue making passes and tugging the skin back toward the base. When you finish, the skin under the wrap should be wrinkle free.

>It's really hard to take pictures of hanging that shows the head. Apologies in advanced. <

That is because your later passes of wrap are not tight enough, and the head is drawing back into the wrapped bundle. Then you are not using your left thumb to push down between head and hanger, pushing the head forward out of the wrapped bundle, so the hanger grasps the internals back further toward the base.

Then you also do not have extra top gap in order to tighten the hanger more if needed.

If you do not understand any of this, ask questions.

Bigger

[Bib]

qwerty,

>Thanks Bigger. I made it tighter than before. Is it tight enough now? <

Not sure about the later passes. But the first passes are not quite tight enough. They are supposed to be "looser" than the later passes. But not so loose as to cause folds under the later passes. I can see in your wrapped pic that under the later passes the first passes are folded up.

>> Many guys like a third close pass at the top. Then grasp those first passes of wrap and the shaft firmly with your wrapping hand, at the top of the passes, and transfer your stretching grip from the head, to those first passes of wrap, and continue the stretch.

For this portion, after you transfer your stretching grip from the head to hold the first passes of the wrap, are you still trying to stretch the penis outwards?<

Yes. You continue the stretch till you are finished wrapping, transferring the stretching grip from hand to hand. I have no idea what you linked to. I have not been to Thunders in decades.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

Hi Bigger,

I've been experimenting with my technique at lower weights. Just wanted to post some updates for you (and anyone else that may be lurking). Was curious to see your thoughts on it.

1. The puffiness I get in the foreskin from the edema seems to be heavily reliant on how I am wrapping, so I've been experimenting with two therabands. The first t-band is about 18 inches long, where the other is about 3 inches long. I first wrap with the 18 inch t-band, and then wrap the second t-band more tightly. I find that a looser t-band at first avoids my issue of edema in the foreskin. The second wrap helps stabilize the wrap, although I am not always consistent. I am still playing around with this, but I'm curious to get your initial thoughts on this. If I wrap more tightly with the first t-band, I usually get edema, even when the subsequent wraps are not super tight.

2. I am still not getting a grasp of my internals/making shoulders. When I attach the hanger, I twist the tightener about 13 times, and then I push the hanger forward to move the excess blood out. What I found was that doing this would scrunch up my foreskin, creating edema problems later on. To mitigate this, I loosely grasp with two fingers the coronal ridge with my foreskin over it and I push the hanger up to remove the excess blood. After about a minute, I start tightening a bit slowly. Where I am confused is the pulse pushing portion. As soon as I start tightening, I release my hold of the coronal ridge while ensuring that I am having a forward pressure by pushing the hanger forward.

Do you start pulse pushing after you get the excess blood out?

As you put your thumb to establish that gap, is your thumb blocking the hanger from the hanger going to far up the shift towards the head as you are pulse pushing? In other words, is this the right technique: remove excess blood, put thumb between hanger and head, start pulse pushing while your thumb is there to establish a gap but also block the pulse pushes from moving the hanger further upwards, then tighten a bit and wait a couple of seconds to allow the penis to mold to the hanger, rinse and repeat with more pulse pushing?

3. 10 minutes into hanging, I feel my head get kind of cold and a bit stingy. It's not puffy or anything and I don't see any fluid build up. But it certainly is very uncomfortable to the point where I stop and reattach the hanger to hang for the rest of the time left. To be clear, I have no signs of puffiness like when the fluid would build in the foreskin. My foreskin when hanging is actually not folding up anymore and just looks normal. Is this still edema?

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>1. The puffiness I get in the foreskin from the edema seems to be heavily reliant on how I am wrapping, so I've been experimenting with two therabands. The first t-band is about 18 inches long, where the other is about 3 inches long. I first wrap with the 18 inch t-band, and then wrap the second t-band more tightly. I find that a looser t-band at first avoids my issue of edema in the foreskin. The second wrap helps stabilize the wrap, although I am not always consistent. I am still playing around with this, but I'm curious to get your initial thoughts on this. If I wrap more tightly with the first t-band, I usually get edema, even when the subsequent wraps are not super tight.<

I never did it. Sounds like a pain, but if it works for you, then great.

>2. I am still not getting a grasp of my internals/making shoulders. When I attach the hanger, I twist the tightener about 13 times, and then I push the hanger forward to move the excess blood out.<

What? Why? 13 times for what?

>What I found was that doing this would scrunch up my foreskin, creating edema problems later on. To mitigate this, I loosely grasp with two fingers the coronal ridge with my foreskin over it and I push the hanger up to remove the excess blood. After about a minute, I start tightening a bit slowly. Where I am confused is the pulse pushing portion. As soon as I start tightening, I release my hold of the coronal ridge while ensuring that I am having a forward pressure by pushing the hanger forward.

Do you start pulse pushing after you get the excess blood out?<

First, you barely tighten at all, when you push the hanger to the head to remove excess blood. Just tighten enough for the hanger to grasp the wrapped bundle, and that is all.

Next, you push down on the shaft, between the head and hanger, with your left thumb, as you lift up on the hanger, as you begin to tighten. Use the downward force from your left thumb to get the gap you want between head and hanger.

Lifting up on the hanger causes a forward force.

Next, after a few turns tightening, you pulse push the hanger towards the head, while still holding the shaft down, between head and hanger. You want to know when the hanger begins to grasp the knot, the lig//tunica fascia.

When you tighten enough that the knot is easily felt, you position it where you want it, by pushing forward on the hanger, and/or pushing back on the hanger with your left thumb.

Then you hold the hanger in that position, using your left thumb, while lifting up on the hanger, as you finish tightening. ALL the rounds of tightening. During all of this, you want to have some forward pressure on the hanger, to keep blood from returning to the head.

All of that should take no more than a couple minutes.

>As you put your thumb to establish that gap, is your thumb blocking the hanger from the hanger going to far up the shift towards the head as you are pulse pushing? <

Yes.

>In other words, is this the right technique: remove excess blood, put thumb between hanger and head, start pulse pushing while your thumb is there to establish a gap but also block the pulse pushes from moving the hanger further upwards, then tighten a bit and wait a couple of seconds to allow the penis to mold to the hanger, rinse and repeat with more pulse pushing?<

That sounds about right.

>3. 10 minutes into hanging, I feel my head get kind of cold and a bit stingy. It's not puffy or anything and I don't see any fluid build up. But it certainly is very uncomfortable to the point where I stop and reattach the hanger to hang for the rest of the time left. To be clear, I have no signs of puffiness like when the fluid would build in the foreskin. My foreskin when hanging is actually not folding up anymore and just looks normal. Is this still edema?<

I cannot know. But if the hanger is slipping, not tight enough, then pull the weight up and retighten BEFORE it begins to slip.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>1. The puffiness I get in the foreskin from the edema seems to be heavily reliant on how I am wrapping, so I've been experimenting with two therabands. The first t-band is about 18 inches long, where the other is about 3 inches long. I first wrap with the 18 inch t-band, and then wrap the second t-band more tightly. I find that a looser t-band at first avoids my issue of edema in the foreskin. The second wrap helps stabilize the wrap, although I am not always consistent. I am still playing around with this, but I'm curious to get your initial thoughts on this. If I wrap more tightly with the first t-band, I usually get edema, even when the subsequent wraps are not super tight.<

I never did it. Sounds like a pain, but if it works for you, then great.

>2. I am still not getting a grasp of my internals/making shoulders. When I attach the hanger, I twist the tightener about 13 times, and then I push the hanger forward to move the excess blood out.<

What? Why? 13 times for what?

>What I found was that doing this would scrunch up my foreskin, creating edema problems later on. To mitigate this, I loosely grasp with two fingers the coronal ridge with my foreskin over it and I push the hanger up to remove the excess blood. After about a minute, I start tightening a bit slowly. Where I am confused is the pulse pushing portion. As soon as I start tightening, I release my hold of the coronal ridge while ensuring that I am having a forward pressure by pushing the hanger forward.

Do you start pulse pushing after you get the excess blood out?<

First, you barely tighten at all, when you push the hanger to the head to remove excess blood. Just tighten enough for the hanger to grasp the wrapped bundle, and that is all.

Next, you push down on the shaft, between the head and hanger, with your left thumb, as you lift up on the hanger, as you begin to tighten. Use the downward force from your left thumb to get the gap you want between head and hanger.

Lifting up on the hanger causes a forward force.

Next, after a few turns tightening, you pulse push the hanger towards the head, while still holding the shaft down, between head and hanger. You want to know when the hanger begins to grasp the knot, the lig//tunica fascia.

When you tighten enough that the knot is easily felt, you position it where you want it, by pushing forward on the hanger, and/or pushing back on the hanger with your left thumb.

Then you hold the hanger in that position, using your left thumb, while lifting up on the hanger, as you finish tightening. ALL the rounds of tightening. During all of this, you want to have some forward pressure on the hanger, to keep blood from returning to the head.

All of that should take no more than a couple minutes.

>As you put your thumb to establish that gap, is your thumb blocking the hanger from the hanger going to far up the shift towards the head as you are pulse pushing? <

Yes.

>In other words, is this the right technique: remove excess blood, put thumb between hanger and head, start pulse pushing while your thumb is there to establish a gap but also block the pulse pushes from moving the hanger further upwards, then tighten a bit and wait a couple of seconds to allow the penis to mold to the hanger, rinse and repeat with more pulse pushing?<

That sounds about right.

>3. 10 minutes into hanging, I feel my head get kind of cold and a bit stingy. It's not puffy or anything and I don't see any fluid build up. But it certainly is very uncomfortable to the point where I stop and reattach the hanger to hang for the rest of the time left. To be clear, I have no signs of puffiness like when the fluid would build in the foreskin. My foreskin when hanging is actually not folding up anymore and just looks normal. Is this still edema?<

I cannot know. But if the hanger is slipping, not tight enough, then pull the weight up and retighten BEFORE it begins to slip.

Bigger

Thanks. Will give it another go. My problem earlier was not lifting the hanger up.

The hanger doesn't slip. Instead, it's a cold burning sensation at the foreskin once I hang for >10 minutes. Not sure why this happens, as it has never happened before. My assumption is that the blood circulation isn't great, and that it's being cut off to a point of a cold burning sensation at the tip.