Log + Questions regarding attaching hanger

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>By the time you're done wrapping, is the wrap still supposed to be 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge? <

Yes. You may have to pull the wrapped bundle back a bit, or pull the foreskin forward from under the wrap.

>I stretch, wrap 0.5, finish wrapping while stretching, and then by the time I'm done, the leading edge of the wrap is practically at the cusp of the coronal ridge.<

You may not be pulling enough tension on the passes of wrap in the hanger attachment zone.

>Placing the attachment point 0.5 inches away from that is really difficult to push blood out. It's not that much room to do so. Any tips?<

Why would it be hard to push the blood out from a half to one inch from the coronal ridge? I would think it would be much easier than attaching at midshaft.

>Guessing that the wrap is still supposed to be 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge after finishing the wrap and not stretched anymore.<

Yes.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

By the time you're done wrapping, is the wrap still supposed to be 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge? I stretch, wrap 0.5, finish wrapping while stretching, and then by the time I'm done, the leading edge of the wrap is practically at the cusp of the coronal ridge. Placing the attachment point 0.5 inches away from that is really difficult to push blood out. It's not that much room to do so. Any tips? Guessing that the wrap is still supposed to be 0.5 inches away from the coronal ridge after finishing the wrap and not stretched anymore.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>Overall it's about 6 inches when stretched out. I've experimented with putting it closer to the head, and it always is more difficult to get blood out. I've also experimented in the past with putting the wrap even further back and it wasn't so bad. But I typically just wrap from the coronal ridge when stretching at around 1 inch to 1.25, maybe 1.5 inches depending on the day and how the first set went.<

1.25 ro 1.5 is really too far back for a six inch length. That is putting the hanger at mid shaft or further back. I would recommend starting no more than a half inch back from the coronal ridge with the wrap, and attaching the hanger a quarter to a half inch back from the leading edge of the wrap.

>The thing is, I am tightening to the max. <

What does that mean. What is the max exactly? How many rounds of tightening are you going through? How large is your top gap? Is there more room to tighten more during the set? Attaching that far back, do you have a set of internals that can actually hold the hanger? Or is the hanger simply popping over the internals and sliding to the head?

>I'm wondering if it's either my attachment and pulse-pushing that's wrong, getting the blood out of the head and having it consistently stay out, or both.<

Could be. I would have to see what you are doing to get an idea.

>In today's session, it felt like I had established shoulders. I went really slow this time around and was more focused on having forward pressure on the penis and hanger while putting my left thumb to prevent the hanger from going all the way back to the head. I managed fine in the beginning. No pressure at the beginning. There was some sort of numbness and stingy sensations coming in the latter parts of the set (something around 12 minutes and beyond is when I got the sensations). Does this probably means blood is coming back in a bit but can't flow out as easily? So in that case, I'm guessing I'm wrapping too tightly.<

All I know is from your description, you are attaching too far back.

>Do you think I should cut the weight back, say to 10 pounds or less, and work on form again?<

Yes.

>Also, a dumb question, but when you form shoulders, can you feel them if you were to palpate the shaft just above the hanger attachment?<

You can feel the solid mass of the shoulders, and see them pooch out from the front of the hanger.

>Is there necessarily a difference between how those internal shoulders feel vs blood in the head sort of forming shoulders? <

Yes. Meat vs liquid. Hard mass vs squishy. High internal blood pressure vs not.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

Overall it's about 6 inches when stretched out. I've experimented with putting it closer to the head, and it always is more difficult to get blood out. I've also experimented in the past with putting the wrap even further back and it wasn't so bad. But I typically just wrap from the coronal ridge when stretching at around 1 inch to 1.25, maybe 1.5 inches depending on the day and how the first set went.

The thing is, I am tightening to the max. I'm wondering if it's either my attachment and pulse-pushing that's wrong, getting the blood out of the head and having it consistently stay out, or both.

In today's session, it felt like I had established shoulders. I went really slow this time around and was more focused on having forward pressure on the penis and hanger while putting my left thumb to prevent the hanger from going all the way back to the head. I managed fine in the beginning. No pressure at the beginning. There was some sort of numbness and stingy sensations coming in the latter parts of the set (something around 12 minutes and beyond is when I got the sensations). Does this probably means blood is coming back in a bit but can't flow out as easily? So in that case, I'm guessing I'm wrapping too tightly.

Do you think I should cut the weight back, say to 10 pounds or less, and work on form again?

Also, a dumb question, but when you form shoulders, can you feel them if you were to palpate the shaft just above the hanger attachment? Is there necessarily a difference between how those internal shoulders feel vs blood in the head sort of forming shoulders? In other words, I imagine that technically, increased blood pressure can prevent the hanger from sliding as well, but that's obviously bad form. Just trying to reconcile the differences so I can narrow my problems down.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>1) The smaller the bottom gap is, the more wrap you need to increase WFG.
2) Conversely, the bigger the bottom gap is, the less wrap you need, so less WFG.<

Not sure about that. The less girth you have naturally, the more wrap you need to increase WFG, as a general rule. Then you can increase the bottom gap to make the difference between bottom gap and top gap more. Bottom gap larger than top gap.

But I guess that is what you were saying. Small bottom gap, you need more wrap to allow for creation of a larger bottom gap.

Not sure about #2. If your girth is large, then your bottom gap may already be large, so you do need less wrap.

>I'm curious as to what the effect is exactly if, say, the bottom gap is bigger but the wrap stays consistent in its length and width. My assumption is that if the wrap length is quite long, and therefore a bigger WFG, with a larger bottom gap, forming the lateral compression to make the shoulders is more difficult.<

Well, it is a trial and error process. Wrap used and normal girth plays a part in bottom inner hex nut adjustments. You have to find the correct proportions of both wrap, and inner hex nut adjustments. If you can wrap extra strip length behind the hanger adjustment zone, you can find the amount of wrap that works best in the hanger attachment zone fairly quickly. How many passes of wrap in the attachment zone does it take to allow you to have a larger bottom gap than top gap, and allows you to tighten the hanger sufficiently.

>I ask because in order to mitigate against the skin friction, I've increased the bottom gap. But now, it seems I can't really form any shoulders. <

Increasing the bottom gap if you do not have the WFG to do so, and therefore tighten more, will increase friction, not decrease it. Not being able to tighten enough will cause MORE friction, and more problems overall.

>These days, blood is seeping in during my sets, primarily in the last 10 minutes or so of any given set. When I pulse-push after attaching, by the end of my tightening, it feels stable. After attaching the weights, by 10 minutes, it feels like blood seeps in and the hanger slides towards the coronal ridge. Pressure of blood begins to build at that point.<

That is not good. It means your hanger is not tight enough, allowing blood to come in front of the hanger, and still the hanger slips toward the head, causing more head pressure. So you need to use enough wrap, and adjust your hanger, so that you can tighten enough, so that does not happen.

>Also, what would you say is a good width of the wrap itself?<

Split down the middle for most guys.

>Does this depend on the penis length at all, or at the two independent of one another?<

Sure. A shorter guy may require a thinner strip of wrap. IF you are six or greater, splitting the Tband sheet in half should work.

>3) Wrap starts about 1.25 inches away from the coronal ridge when stretched out. No tension really on the first two wraps, but going down 1/8th of an inch, the tension increases. Then, when attaching, you're attaching approximately anywhere from 0.25 to 1 inch away from the top of the wrap.<

What is your overall length?

>4) When getting blood out, you must push the hanger towards the head. When you do this, are you squeezing the hanger together ever-so slightly? <

It may be that you need to. Or tighten a bit more before pushing. I used to tighten enough so I did not have to worry about squeezing the two sides together.

>was thinking that perhaps I couldn't form shoulders anymore because perhaps I wasn't getting blood out successfully, so whatever I thought was formed shoulders due to lateral compression was actually just residual blood caught in the head?<

I have no idea how much blood you are leaving in the head and upper shaft.

It sounds like you do not have the correct WFG and hanger adjustments, to allow for enough tightening, to keep the hanger from slipping.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

Hey Bigger,

Wanted to confirm some things:

1) The smaller the bottom gap is, the more wrap you need to increase WFG.
2) Conversely, the bigger the bottom gap is, the less wrap you need, so less WFG.

I'm curious as to what the effect is exactly if, say, the bottom gap is bigger but the wrap stays consistent in its length and width. My assumption is that if the wrap length is quite long, and therefore a bigger WFG, with a larger bottom gap, forming the lateral compression to make the shoulders is more difficult.

I ask because in order to mitigate against the skin friction, I've increased the bottom gap. But now, it seems I can't really form any shoulders. These days, blood is seeping in during my sets, primarily in the last 10 minutes or so of any given set. When I pulse-push after attaching, by the end of my tightening, it feels stable. After attaching the weights, by 10 minutes, it feels like blood seeps in and the hanger slides towards the coronal ridge. Pressure of blood begins to build at that point.

Also, what would you say is a good width of the wrap itself? Does this depend on the penis length at all, or at the two independent of one another?

Wanted to also double check on getting blood out of the head:

3) Wrap starts about 1.25 inches away from the coronal ridge when stretched out. No tension really on the first two wraps, but going down 1/8th of an inch, the tension increases. Then, when attaching, you're attaching approximately anywhere from 0.25 to 1 inch away from the top of the wrap.
4) When getting blood out, you must push the hanger towards the head. When you do this, are you squeezing the hanger together ever-so slightly? I was thinking that perhaps I couldn't form shoulders anymore because perhaps I wasn't getting blood out successfully, so whatever I thought was formed shoulders due to lateral compression was actually just residual blood caught in the head?

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>Bigger, how often did it take for you to go up in weight? Speaking about on average in terms of weeks. Was it perhaps once a month on average that you went up in weight? That is, you felt that the fatigue wasn't coming until set 3 or 4 for a couple of weeks, so then you bump up the weight. Asking just for curiosity's sake but also because I'm trying to build metrics around this to make this more consistent for myself.<

No way I can remember any specifics from so long ago. I know that I went up quickly starting out, to about 17..5. I would say about every week or two. Then, I stayed between 17.5 and 22.5 for a long time. Perhaps a year or more. Then, I moved up quickly again from 25 to 45, probably every week or two. By this time, I had a really good comfortable hanger which allowed me to move up as needed.

Bigger

I see. Thanks!

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>Bigger, how often did it take for you to go up in weight? Speaking about on average in terms of weeks. Was it perhaps once a month on average that you went up in weight? That is, you felt that the fatigue wasn't coming until set 3 or 4 for a couple of weeks, so then you bump up the weight. Asking just for curiosity's sake but also because I'm trying to build metrics around this to make this more consistent for myself.<

No way I can remember any specifics from so long ago. I know that I went up quickly starting out, to about 17..5. I would say about every week or two. Then, I stayed between 17.5 and 22.5 for a long time. Perhaps a year or more. Then, I moved up quickly again from 25 to 45, probably every week or two. By this time, I had a really good comfortable hanger which allowed me to move up as needed.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

Bigger, how often did it take for you to go up in weight? Speaking about on average in terms of weeks. Was it perhaps once a month on average that you went up in weight? That is, you felt that the fatigue wasn't coming until set 3 or 4 for a couple of weeks, so then you bump up the weight. Asking just for curiosity's sake but also because I'm trying to build metrics around this to make this more consistent for myself.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>When I start my sets the next day, I readjust the bottom to be where it was previously.<

That can be a pain. Try to get used to just leaving the bottom hex nuts alone, and keeping the top gap a bit too big to start. Unless of course there is a big comfort issue.

>I am starting to notice something, though: my skin is a whole lot more sensitive than ever before. After hanging, my skin looks sort of like a wrinkled prune towards the base, not on the base, but on the shaft area just a bit above the base. The other parts of my skin don't look that way. This is always after I finish my sets. If I wake up, there's none of this prune-y looking skin I see. Have you experienced this in your time, and if so, what is it an indication of, if anything?<

Yes and yes, skin stretch, and a very good example of what occurs with the ligs as well. What you see is the crenellations formed from stretching skin. The same thing happens with the ligs. Then over time, the stretched fibers become permanently longer, as the gains are cemented. If you over deform the tissues, you get macro tears, which can be uncomfortable.

>Also noticing the connecting point of my skin at the base to the skin of the shaft is incredibly red, sort of raw looking, pinkish hue. The sides of my shaft are sort of red too, <

Inflammation due to deformation. Normal, and what you want. Also the above is what you want.

>although they feel sort of clam-y. I assume from the wrapping and the sort of lack of air exposure causing some clam-y-ness. Wondering if you had a similar experience in your time, and if so, anything you did to mitigate it?<

Yes. Heat, sweat, Tband, sweat cannot evaporate. But I could usually hang many sets before it ever became a problem. Then I would unwrap and rewrap, usually about lunch.

>I'm guessing this is where a lot of that friction and kind of previous skin-rubbing where the skin feels rug-burned came from.<

That can be more uncomfortable than normal, but should not create that much of an issue.

>Thinking that my skin-stretching sessions didn't do much previously, so I might have to restart that again. As a side question, how often would you change your wraps? Like cutting a new strip to wrap with?<

When it tore across the wrap, to where it was too short. Kind of crumbled.

>I know you say that if the skin feels tight, then it's time to stretch skin, but I'm wondering if that skin tightness has to necessitate pain?<

No. Just fatigue. Discomfort.

>I'm assuming the answer is no, and that skin feeling tight doesn't have to mean pain whatsoever, although it can if you are really at a weight that's too much that strains the skin way too much, thus causing pain.<

Yes.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>My assumption was that because this happens at set 4, something changes that causes discomfort, but all else, being that of my the adjustments and tightness, remains the same.<

You must be sure your wrap and hanger adjustments are set up for the later sets, not the first sets. Then the next day, the top gap will be a bit wide for the first set. That is ok.

Bigger

Gotcha. Followed your advice, adjusting the bottom hex to be a tad bit wider after set 3 and it seemed to resolved my issue, not completely, but it's not painful anymore. Just not very comfortable for the first couple of seconds but entirely manageable.

When I start my sets the next day, I readjust the bottom to be where it was previously.

I am starting to notice something, though: my skin is a whole lot more sensitive than ever before. After hanging, my skin looks sort of like a wrinkled prune towards the base, not on the base, but on the shaft area just a bit above the base. The other parts of my skin don't look that way. This is always after I finish my sets. If I wake up, there's none of this prune-y looking skin I see. Have you experienced this in your time, and if so, what is it an indication of, if anything?

Also noticing the connecting point of my skin at the base to the skin of the shaft is incredibly red, sort of raw looking, pinkish hue. The sides of my shaft are sort of red too, although they feel sort of clam-y. I assume from the wrapping and the sort of lack of air exposure causing some clam-y-ness. Wondering if you had a similar experience in your time, and if so, anything you did to mitigate it? I'm guessing this is where a lot of that friction and kind of previous skin-rubbing where the skin feels rug-burned came from. Thinking that my skin-stretching sessions didn't do much previously, so I might have to restart that again. As a side question, how often would you change your wraps? Like cutting a new strip to wrap with?

I know you say that if the skin feels tight, then it's time to stretch skin, but I'm wondering if that skin tightness has to necessitate pain? I'm assuming the answer is no, and that skin feeling tight doesn't have to mean pain whatsoever, although it can if you are really at a weight that's too much that strains the skin way too much, thus causing pain.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>My assumption was that because this happens at set 4, something changes that causes discomfort, but all else, being that of my the adjustments and tightness, remains the same.<

You must be sure your wrap and hanger adjustments are set up for the later sets, not the first sets. Then the next day, the top gap will be a bit wide for the first set. That is ok.

Bigger

[qwerty12]

qwerty12,

>Alright, did some more testing. Could it be this is attachment fatigue? What defines attachment fatigue?<

Discomfort. Either from increased tightening, increased weight used, or poor technique.

>My hanger adjustments, tightness, etc, are all fine.<

As you move up in weight, you must refine your technique. How do you know everything is fine?

Bigger

My assumption was that because this happens at set 4, something changes that causes discomfort, but all else, being that of my the adjustments and tightness, remains the same.

[Bib]

qwerty12,

>Alright, did some more testing. Could it be this is attachment fatigue? What defines attachment fatigue?<

Discomfort. Either from increased tightening, increased weight used, or poor technique.

>My hanger adjustments, tightness, etc, are all fine.<

As you move up in weight, you must refine your technique. How do you know everything is fine?

Bigger

[qwerty12]

Alright, did some more testing. Could it be this is attachment fatigue? What defines attachment fatigue? One I attach the weight, my base is fine. Ligs feel it. But it's solely the skin at the attachment point that feels an insane amount of discomfort/burning, and it is ALWAYS by set 4. I suppose I could split my sets up again to 3 in the day and 3 in the night, but I just wanted more clarity on what attachment fatigue really is.

My hanger adjustments, tightness, etc, are all fine.