Managing Fatigue

[seeking8.5x6]

Re: Managing Fatigue

The best way i can describe fatigue is youll feel every inch of your penis both hidden and exposed letting you know they are being worked.

[PurpleOnes]

Re: Managing Fatigue

Great thread that is worth reading many times.

[Jman]

Bigger,

After you have decreased weight during the day, did you ever increase back up within the same day if you found you were easily hanging the reduced weight each set? Or do you finish out the day at that lower weight?

Jman

[Bib]

Jman,

>After you have decreased weight during the day, did you ever increase back up within the same day if you found you were easily hanging the reduced weight each set? Or do you finish out the day at that lower weight?<

I almost always went back up, if not to my max, then close, in my evening sets.

As far as the daytime sets, I cannot ever remember going back up once I had gone down.

Now, sometimes I would drop too much, then go back up a bit. Say drop 2.5 lbs, it would than be too easy, so I would add a lb back. That type of thing.

Bigger

[Jman]

Thanks. It makes sense with my experience. If the sets are close together, it is always getting progressively difficult to hang the same weight, always forcing either weight or time down. If I have a break between the sets, this is not necessarily true. This now seems critical, to keep the sets close enough together.

Jman

[BooYa]

Hiya BiB

Long time no see. : )

I've been hanging somewhat successfully lately, measured more than ever (had a 9.2" measurement fluke ;D) and I was just wondering... fatigue is a troublesome concept for the fact that involves "pain"/"feels" and that can vary a lot from person to person, e.g., I knew a guy who twisted his femur bone completely and felt only a mild discomfort, feeling pain only after surgery (the day after).

I THINK my ligs are getting stretched: despite the ruler, I'm noticing my penis falling further and further down each time I close my legs for any reason (while I'm going to sleep, for instance, it's getting "easier" for it to fall BEHIND my legs), while before it would just get squeezed in between the thighs (correct me if I'm wrong or if this could be anything else).

I usually "feel" fatigue in the beginning of the set, after a few minutes it gets accustomed and I will only feel that "ouchy" feeling again when I remove the weight. My question is: do you ever stop feeling the stretching of the ligs once it's fully accomplished? Logically that stress will start being felt by the tunica (I guess), but I was wondering if there's any way to know for sure you don't need to do lig stretching any longer.

Thanks BiB ; )

[Bib]

BooYa,

>I've been hanging somewhat successfully lately, measured more than ever (had a 9.2" measurement fluke ;D) and I was just wondering... fatigue is a troublesome concept for the fact that involves "pain"/"feels" and that can vary a lot from person to person, <

You are correct, pain tolerance is a huge variable.

Congratulations on the gains.

>I THINK my ligs are getting stretched: despite the ruler, I'm noticing my penis falling further and further down each time I close my legs for any reason (while I'm going to sleep, for instance, it's getting "easier" for it to fall BEHIND my legs), while before it would just get squeezed in between the thighs (correct me if I'm wrong or if this could be anything else).<

That is all correct. I still remember the first time I sat on my unit, getting into a car.

But if you are asking about whether you ligs are fully stretched out or not, just do the three tests.

>I usually "feel" fatigue in the beginning of the set, after a few minutes it gets accustomed and I will only feel that "ouchy" feeling again when I remove the weight. My question is: do you ever stop feeling the stretching of the ligs once it's fully accomplished? Logically that stress will start being felt by the tunica (I guess), but <

Once your LOT is 6, low skin exit point, an inch or less of inner penis, then the inner tunica will be taking a good deal, if not most, of the stress away from the ligs. The ligs will of course still be taking some stress. What you describe above sounds kind of like pulling adhesions out of the previous deformations in the ligs. That can be intense, but once they are stretched out, early in a set, then the tunica could be taking most of the stress.

>I was wondering if there's any way to know for sure you don't need to do lig stretching any longer.<

Do the three tests: LOT, mirror, and palpation.

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[BooYa]

Yeah, I was "afraid" you were gonna say that... I don't want to keep posting every week like "Am I there yet? Am I there yet?" so... as soon as I can I'll do the test and send the 3 pictures (1 front and 2 from the sides) for you to analyze. Like... once a month or once every two months...

Thanks BIB : )

[Bib]

From an email:


I am going to try and simplify as much as I can. This is living tissue under stress. It is a matrix. As I said before, when one fiber fails, another takes the stress. But, it is more complicated than that.

As stress is applied, fibers do not just fail, no more resistance, all the time. They stretch, still taking some stress. The more stress, the more they stretch.

So you are thinking of a one time 14 lb stress load, affecting all of the fibers that will fail at 14 lbs. Only some will. It takes continued stress over time, to get the most deformation possible within a hanging session.

The key is over time. If you hung 14 lbs for five seconds, you would do very little to make progress. Understand?

When you reduce so much at one go, you are effectively only keeping the already deformed fibers in an extended state. That is most likely what you are feeling that you describe as fatigue. But, you are not doing much to continue deforming tissues.

So, after you need to reduce, and you reduce to 8 lbs; rather than fibers failing that are affected by 13, 12, 11, 10, and 9 lbs. you are only affecting the fibers that may be affected at 8 lbs.

What you are doing by reducing so much, is effectively cutting your sets short. You could take off all the weight when you reach fatigue, and you would do little. So by reducing so much, you are only marginally making progress.

Stress is weight over time.

>So when I drop 5.5 lbs, I stay fatigued. <

I don't think so. I think you are just feeling the already inflamed, deformed tissues. I do not think you are feeling much additional deformation.

>The only difference is when I do that dropping. In my second set, I can drop 15-17 minutes into the set, but on the 5th set it might be 5 minutes in. If I drop in smaller steps the way you suggest, I would start dropping in the 2nd set earlier. And by the 5th set I prolly will have to drop 5.5 lbs anyway. Hence I'm trying to understand why the way you suggest is superior.<

Think of it this way. Stress is weight over time. So, you need to think of it as lbs per minute. Get in as many lbs per minute as you can, within your sessions. That is, reach and ride fatigue.

Lbs per minute is what deforms the entire matrix of fibers. So think of all the weight/time, you are wasting, by dropping so much at one go.

>One disadvantage of it I see is I have to reduce more times during a set. So it takes more attention off my work.<

I did this for three years. The third year was cementing, where I had to pull out adhesions, without causing new deformations. That required more attention.

After you get used to it, it takes very little time to reach down and take off a plate. Easy in fact. It should not be a concern.

>With the way I've been doing it, I reduced just once, maybe twice closer to the end of a session. Of course, if it's required for me to spend more attention on the weight reduction process in order to gain faster, I will.<

It is up to you. I hope the weight time explanation helps. You have not gained yet. I can see how this would be a reason.

>I'm just trying to understand the theory behind all this. I suck at following instructions without understanding the underlying theory.<

Reach and ride fatigue. Weight over time.

Another way to look at it is average weight per minute over the course of your sessions.

The more weight you can hang per minute, the more deformation that will occur.

Bigger

[Peispossible]

Okay my weights are down now and slowly building back up, I was at 26 lbs first set then 24, 22, 18

Then the weights felt heavier for some reason

Currently, today I did 20 lbs first set after weight accumulation, 18, 16, about to try 16 if not I'll drop down further
these are basically all btc, sometimes I'll get up to do something and must stand , if I can help it it's btc
Are you saying if I drop to 10 lbs or 8 lbs or even 5 lbs btc that it's not really doing much and not worth the time?

Before I knew better I used to hang so, before I used bibstarter and have done done 15 lbs , that's been well over a year ago since I even attempted that now when weights goes down, like to 10 , 8, ,5, lbs gonna do so angle for a set, what do you think?

[Bib]

Peispossible,

>Okay my weights are down now and slowly building back up, I was at 26 lbs first set then 24, 22, 18

Then the weights felt heavier for some reason<

I do NOT understand what that means!

>Currently, today I did 20 lbs first set after weight accumulation, 18, 16, about to try 16 if not I'll drop down further
these are basically all btc, sometimes I'll get up to do something and must stand , if I can help it it's btc
Are you saying if I drop to 10 lbs or 8 lbs or even 5 lbs btc that it's not really doing much and not worth the time?<

No. It depends on how it feels, and the reasons why you cannot hang that much. It also depends on what happens when you change angles, from BTC to SD, and even SO. I finished many sessions at the SO angle.

>Before I knew better I used to hang so, before I used bibstarter and have done done 15 lbs , that's been well over a year ago since I even attempted that now when weights goes down, like to 10 , 8, ,5, lbs gonna do so angle for a set, what do you think?<

I have absolutely no idea what your question is.

Bigger

[Ireland8x6]

Great read. I think it may be my second but ressonates with my use of the Vac hanger as discussed before.

As I have targeted ligs in the past pretty hard. Do you think I could try the fulcrum from the start...it using my arm as a fulcrum I realize it takes the stress into the internals more and not the skin..

This rice sock is basically a rice sock duck taped?..

[Bib]

Ireland8x6,

>As I have targeted ligs in the past pretty hard. Do you think I could try the fulcrum from the start...it using my arm as a fulcrum I realize it takes the stress into the internals more and not the skin..<

Not sure what you are writing about. You should not attempt tunica work, if you have potential for gains from lig stretch. You should also have worked up to at least 20 lbs, hanging at the lower angles.

>This rice sock is basically a rice sock duck taped?<

No idea what you are referring to.

Bigger

[Ireland8x6]

"No idea what you are referring to."

You mention a rice sock as a fulcrum. Is that a sock with rice in it and you ducktape all-around to keep it strong? Or what is it?

[Bib]

Ireland8x6,

>You mention a rice sock as a fulcrum. Is that a sock with rice in it and you ducktape all-around to keep it strong? Or what is it?<

Top of the Basics section:

https://forum.bibhanger.com/forum/forums/the-basics/27-rice-sock-duct-tape-fulcrum

Bigger